I personally like the Beretta 92 fs Brigadier INOX, plus you can also get the CX4 Storm if you are interested in a pistol caliber carbine. The Storm is easily configured to left hand eject/mag release and the 92 to left hand mag release. 
Any 9mm handgun with these features available?
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Walt Sherrill
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First, what's a CZ75C? (Is that the Compact?) If so, it's not usually called a 75C. And 85C is what some call the 85 Combat.
If you already have a 75B and you like everything about it EXCEPT a mag release that releases when it shouldn't, you have other options:
- Find a better holster.
- Install (or have a gunsmith install) a new mag release spring that you can get from CZ-USA pretty cheaply, and possibly under warranty).
- Have the release button milled down a bit by the gunsmith.
All of the options above should be cheaper than a gun that doesn't get shot and sets in the gun safe, or which is subsequently sold (which almost always means a pretty big financial hit.)
A potential problem with the other guns mentioned is that THEY may have quirks or things you'll find that don't fit you (even if they're not a mechanical issue like your CZ).
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Tallbald
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Thanks everyone. My 75B is factory stock. I bought it brand NIB in 2011. Some sort of special run I think, being satin stainless (no "Limited" branding either), with factory cocobolo(?) checkered grip panels. A beautiful, accurate gun, it's a keeper. But just as a range gun.
Now. I have for years made my own leather holsters. I craft and sell holsters, and now, offer craft custom laminated belts. I've known about my CZ's touchy mag release since I bought it NIB. I did craft my own IWB holster that surrounds the mag release with a layer of leather. Thus the holster in theory prevents release of my magazine unintentionally by surrounding the release when my gun is holstered.. Thing about it is this. I had to craft my holster to deal with a problem that I believe shouldn't even be an issue. See photo of my holster on one of my belts below please.
I'm not an LEO, competative shooter or combat vet. I don't have and at my age don't know that I could develop the skills needed to deal with an unintentional mag release in a terrible situation. I believe I need to contact CZ and see if they can help me solve the release issue themselves.
On a sad note and sharing my own "sellers remorse story, about 15 years ago I did indeed have a Smith 5906 I bought from a retiring LEO. And I had fallen into an INOX Beretta 92. Both went on their way as I struggled to raise my children and support my hobby. Sure wish I'd have kept both of them. Thank you again so much all. Don AKA Tallbald, AKA Don S. Leathercraft.
Post script 1130 CST: I just completed a contact form to CZ-USA on their website. I described my mag release concern, and offered that it may be simply functioning as designed and the issue is mine not theirs. (as an adult, I always accept that I myself could be the source of any problem in life before automatically assuming others are the source). I asked them if there were any options for me to consider. I'll share what their reply is when I receive one. Thanks again. Don.
Now. I have for years made my own leather holsters. I craft and sell holsters, and now, offer craft custom laminated belts. I've known about my CZ's touchy mag release since I bought it NIB. I did craft my own IWB holster that surrounds the mag release with a layer of leather. Thus the holster in theory prevents release of my magazine unintentionally by surrounding the release when my gun is holstered.. Thing about it is this. I had to craft my holster to deal with a problem that I believe shouldn't even be an issue. See photo of my holster on one of my belts below please.
I'm not an LEO, competative shooter or combat vet. I don't have and at my age don't know that I could develop the skills needed to deal with an unintentional mag release in a terrible situation. I believe I need to contact CZ and see if they can help me solve the release issue themselves.
On a sad note and sharing my own "sellers remorse story, about 15 years ago I did indeed have a Smith 5906 I bought from a retiring LEO. And I had fallen into an INOX Beretta 92. Both went on their way as I struggled to raise my children and support my hobby. Sure wish I'd have kept both of them. Thank you again so much all. Don AKA Tallbald, AKA Don S. Leathercraft.
Post script 1130 CST: I just completed a contact form to CZ-USA on their website. I described my mag release concern, and offered that it may be simply functioning as designed and the issue is mine not theirs. (as an adult, I always accept that I myself could be the source of any problem in life before automatically assuming others are the source). I asked them if there were any options for me to consider. I'll share what their reply is when I receive one. Thanks again. Don.
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JTQ
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Are you saying that holster design has solved your problem?
The majority of problems I see with mag releases being pushed are by holsters that cover the mag release. Most are hybrid type holsters with a leather or fabric backing on the body side (mag release side for a righty).
Zendude
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Bersa Pro 9mm might be worth a look. Good ergonomics.
Tallbald
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Yes I did craft a holster that keeps the release from being pressed inadvertently. But my belief is that my holster is merely a design that works around what I perceive to be my gun's trouble spot. Similar to the feeling one might have upon learning that their favorite car would only run if they bought gasoline from one and only one particular filling station. I want my CZ to work with any CZ75B holster that's not my own "special" design. I'll see what CZ has to suggest after my contact with them. Thanks. Don.
** Oh. And my sincere thanks to those with suggested alternative carry option handguns.
** Oh. And my sincere thanks to those with suggested alternative carry option handguns.
Tallbald
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Thank you all again for the comments. Oddly as to the timing, it looks like a an almost NIB Ruger (2013 version) P95 will be falling into my lap soon, via a family member wanting a smaller CCW gun. I'm 6 feet 5 inches and almost 300 pounds, and a full size gun can be concealed AIWB using one of my own crafted belt and holster sets. The stainless P95 possibly coming has the external safety, is DA/SA, has an external hammer and certainly has higher capacity than the five of my SP101. And it's very affordable.Thank you all again. Don
Winkman822
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There's no shortage of options, but for what the OP describes and accidentally hitting the mag release being a concern, I'd say try an HK USP, P30, HK45, or HK P2000. The HK's are all polymer framed hammer fired. If all metal is the preference, the Sig P226 or P229, a CZ75, or perhaps a Beretta 8000 series (if you can track one down).
Walt Sherrill
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Get someone to check the mag release spring!
The OP found a solution, and it sort of worked, but it didn't fix the problem -- it just avoided it. What he describes is not TYPICAL CZ behavior. I've lost count of how many different CZs I've had over the years -- buying, selling and trading, but at least 15 of them, and and NONE of them had mag releases that were that twitchy. It's clearly something that can be fixed! The CZ is a complex machine, but the mag release is very simple...
The OP likes the gun, but is talking about buying a new gun and maybe selling the existing one, clearly out of frustration -- there are quite a few dollars at play for a problem that might be easily fixed by a short trip to the gunsmith. (It might be that just BENDING the spring could fix it!)
It's also possible that OP can fix it himself replacing the spring with one ordered (maybe free, under warranty) from CZ. If he chooses to have a gunsmith do it -- it can't be that expensive -- he might want to get a new spring from CZ first.
The OP found a solution, and it sort of worked, but it didn't fix the problem -- it just avoided it. What he describes is not TYPICAL CZ behavior. I've lost count of how many different CZs I've had over the years -- buying, selling and trading, but at least 15 of them, and and NONE of them had mag releases that were that twitchy. It's clearly something that can be fixed! The CZ is a complex machine, but the mag release is very simple...
The OP likes the gun, but is talking about buying a new gun and maybe selling the existing one, clearly out of frustration -- there are quite a few dollars at play for a problem that might be easily fixed by a short trip to the gunsmith. (It might be that just BENDING the spring could fix it!)
It's also possible that OP can fix it himself replacing the spring with one ordered (maybe free, under warranty) from CZ. If he chooses to have a gunsmith do it -- it can't be that expensive -- he might want to get a new spring from CZ first.
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Zerodefect
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It ain't rocket science to find a stiffer spring on the net that'll fit.
And I'd grind the button down just a hair if needed. Maybe trim the holster a bit. Quite cheaper than buying another DA/SA pistol as well.
And I'd grind the button down just a hair if needed. Maybe trim the holster a bit. Quite cheaper than buying another DA/SA pistol as well.
Sounds like the OP is describing a 3rd Gen S&W to me.
I personally tend to like 5904s, though they're black-alloy and blued, not stainless. They will accept 17 round MEC-GAR mags. It's got Beretta 92 operation protocols but lighter weight and it is slightly smaller. It carries very comfortably IWB in a (still-available new or used on their website) CrossBreed Supertuck.
I personally tend to like 5904s, though they're black-alloy and blued, not stainless. They will accept 17 round MEC-GAR mags. It's got Beretta 92 operation protocols but lighter weight and it is slightly smaller. It carries very comfortably IWB in a (still-available new or used on their website) CrossBreed Supertuck.
USAF_Vet
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Reading the OP, the Beretta M9 immediately came to mind. If you're looking at a production gun, there are many that offer all of these features.
If you're opening it up to out of production guns, there are so many to chose from it's folly to try and list them all.
I've got two that fit the bill, S&W 469 and Ruger P89.
ETA: Reading some of the later posts, it seems the OP is getting a Ruger P95. Good choice, sir. So my opinion of the P89 (alloy frame as opposed to the polymer one on the P95) was spot on.
If you're opening it up to out of production guns, there are so many to chose from it's folly to try and list them all.
I've got two that fit the bill, S&W 469 and Ruger P89.
ETA: Reading some of the later posts, it seems the OP is getting a Ruger P95. Good choice, sir. So my opinion of the P89 (alloy frame as opposed to the polymer one on the P95) was spot on.
Yea, I'd like to hear from others that are having this issue with the 75, because I also have the 75D PCR and don't experience the mag drop. I wonder if a different holster would eliminate the problem?
1John1:9
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The HK P30S will fit your needs.
But highly agree with Walt Sherrill: None of my CZ's do this and I've carried them, IWB, OWB and even pocket carried a RAMI. None of them have released the mag unless I intended it to.
I would try ordering the spring mentioned previously or at least send it to CZ.
But highly agree with Walt Sherrill: None of my CZ's do this and I've carried them, IWB, OWB and even pocket carried a RAMI. None of them have released the mag unless I intended it to.
I would try ordering the spring mentioned previously or at least send it to CZ.
Walt Sherrill
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Cajun Gun Works has the spring for $3 plus shipping. I'll bet its cheaper than CZ-USA.
Snejdarek
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This has happened to me couple of times with Kahr CM9 when I started carrying it, but never with my CZ 75 Compact D. Throughout past summer, it never happened with CM9 either - thus I blame the leather holster which perhaps needed to loosen up a bit.
If you are happy with CZ 75 and you are worried about this issue, I would concentrate more on finding a proper holster than looking for a different gun. Should you come to the same conclusion, I might suggest also postponing CZ 75 C purchase before the CZ 75 C Omega hits the shelfs (I know I would, but I am happy enough with the standard trigger I already have).
If you are happy with CZ 75 and you are worried about this issue, I would concentrate more on finding a proper holster than looking for a different gun. Should you come to the same conclusion, I might suggest also postponing CZ 75 C purchase before the CZ 75 C Omega hits the shelfs (I know I would, but I am happy enough with the standard trigger I already have).
ClickClickD'oh
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Tallbald, can we see the back side of that holster? I ask because I have run into the problem of finding magazines in security patrol vehicles frequently... usually from security officers new to wearing a gun who buy holsters that have material that covers the magazine release button. When they lock in the seat belt it pushes the gun against the holster material and releases the magazine... earning them an epic arse chewing at the shift change inspection. Through the years I've worn a -75B and Phantom and never encountered the problem myself. But then again, Safariland could send a child or two to college off of what I've given them.
If the holster material isn't covering the mag release, it's as Walt says. You've got a way too weak spring in there and replacing it should fix the problem.
Most, but not all. I have several that came with the 85 Combat flat installed from the factory. I've never seen a BD with the brake in it.
If the holster material isn't covering the mag release, it's as Walt says. You've got a way too weak spring in there and replacing it should fix the problem.
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Most, but not all. I have several that came with the 85 Combat flat installed from the factory. I've never seen a BD with the brake in it.
Walt Sherrill
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JohnKSa said:
All models have a mag brake. I think the 75B and the 75BD both come with the standard mag brake, which allows the mag to drop down an inch or two and then stop, to be pulled out by hand. That brake is a slightly convex piece of flat steel that presses against the mag at the rear of the grip.
The drop free brake (like is standard in the 85 Combat) is just flat, without a curve that presses against the mag. The mags can drop free when the gun is held in the firing position.
With either style of brake there is enough magazine spring pressure with loaded mags (which causes the top round in the mag to press UP against the underside of the slide) to force the mag past the mag catch notch, if the mag release is pressed. A soft mag release spring might cause the mag to pop loose just as the OP describes.
I can't keep up with which brake is used in which model, but more and more of the newer models come with the drop free mag brake installed.
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ClickClickD'oh
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Walt Sherrill said:
That is what I meant, but could have been more clear, when I said brake versus flat describing two variations of the same part. Not having a brake ( or flat) installed is bad juju that will lead to magazine loading problems.
IIRC, brake (curved) was standard originally and since the 85 Combat, flats have started to sneak into various production models.
A quick sampling of some of the -75 based CZs in my safe reveals:
'02 PCR: Flat
'13 -75B Retro: Flat
'08 -75B Polished stainless: Brake
'07 -40P: Flat
'07 -75B: Brake
'05 -75B .40 S&W: Flat
corton93
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+1 on what sigarms228 said. I jumped on a P30SK V3 right after they came out.. Sold my Glock 26 2 weeks later.. (Still rocking my Glock 32 though )
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