ANy experience with Dan Wesson 10mm?
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I have a DW Bobtail 1911 in 10mm. I recently purchased the gun and only have about 300 rounds through it. It's a little finicky with cheaper ammo, but shoots the full pressure stuff like a dream. It's been a very fun gun so far...
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I had a handfull of DW 10mm 1911s before CZ purchased them. All had issues out of the box that ranged from simple to rather complicated to address. I let them all go and moved on to other guns, but that left me without a regular carry 10mm. As I prefer a 1911 Commander length gun for that purpose, I decided recently (and in part on Whitman31's report) to get a CBOB 10mm. I had one of the first DW CBOBs but it never ran reliably. I was hoping CZ had the bugs worked out.
The pistol was at my FFL yesterday and I ran out to the range with around 120 rounds of factory and my own reloaded ammo. First let me say this pistol is so supperior in appearances to the pre-CZ CBOB I owned that one would literally think it was from a completely different company. Perhaps in reality that is largely true. The fit and finish is superb, easily bettering other makers of 1911s in the price range. It is extremely tight yet smooth in operation. The trigger is very light, perhaps 3 lbs. but I would not be shocked if it weighed in slightly under that. Just a little grittiness that will likely work out.
The attention to detail by the factory is evident in a number of places. Checkering is smooth and even on the front strap. The gun is supposed to be dehorned and that seems largely the case. The only exception I found is where the frame narrows in at the grip safety, where some sharp edges are left. I will have my smith take that down when time permits. Controls are nicely rounded but easy to use. I noticed that the slide stop looks like the model Fusion is shipping on its 10mm pistols. It has a better shelf for the hand to engage, while not being overly extended and thus risking accidental engagement. The mag release is similarly just enough larger to be handy, but not so big as to cause the mags to be dropped by accident. The safety is just right--stiff enough to only move if you try, but not so stiff as to be distracting.
Sights are Trijicons with yellow dots in the back and green in the front. I am a big fan of having the rear dots be a different color than the front, so was very happy to see this. It makes the front sight stand out and draw the eye to it. Grips are a gorgeous checkered wood in a dark red color. They are fairly thin and almost too pretty to leave on the gun as it will get carried. Still I like pretty grips on my 1911s so may leave them. I have Hakan's on my CDP and despite the wear leave them on. The checkering on the front strap and grips helps to off-set the fact that the bobed mainspring housing is smooth as glass. You can get a good grip on this pistol, yet have the concealment advantage of the bobtail grip. It took me some getting used to the look of such guns when I first saw them, but once you try it in an IWB rig under clothes you see the advantage of removing that corner.
So whatever I have said in the past about DW quality control issues, it is apparent that CZ has turned things around at least based on this pistol. As for how it shoots, the answer is very well. It shot perfectly to point of aim, and at 15m I could easily dump a magazine through a cloverleaf shaped hole. Rapid fire is no problem. I find the 10mm easy to shoot as I am used to it, so double-tap drills on two targets grouped as nicely as with 45. The CBOB is heavy enough to soak up the recoil better than an alloy framed 45. I found that one of my existing Metalform magazines had feeding issues, so set it aside. My other 4 magazines fed perfectly with zero feeding issues. The gun is tight, so I had perhaps 5 times when I needed to thumb the slide fully closed within the first 40-50 rounds. That cleared up as I expected for such a tightly fitted gun. Other than that it just ran and fed both factory and reloaded ammo without issues.
I am really glad I gave DW/CZ a second chance. If all the current crop of 10mms are this nice I may need a Razorback for my birthday this summer. My love of the 10mm has driven me to buy many different pistols, but my preference for the round is in the 1911. It looks like CZ has given Dan Wesson the tweaking the company needed to provide a 10mm 1911 that is up to the standards of quality we have come to expect from the maker of the venerable CZ-75 family.
John
The pistol was at my FFL yesterday and I ran out to the range with around 120 rounds of factory and my own reloaded ammo. First let me say this pistol is so supperior in appearances to the pre-CZ CBOB I owned that one would literally think it was from a completely different company. Perhaps in reality that is largely true. The fit and finish is superb, easily bettering other makers of 1911s in the price range. It is extremely tight yet smooth in operation. The trigger is very light, perhaps 3 lbs. but I would not be shocked if it weighed in slightly under that. Just a little grittiness that will likely work out.
The attention to detail by the factory is evident in a number of places. Checkering is smooth and even on the front strap. The gun is supposed to be dehorned and that seems largely the case. The only exception I found is where the frame narrows in at the grip safety, where some sharp edges are left. I will have my smith take that down when time permits. Controls are nicely rounded but easy to use. I noticed that the slide stop looks like the model Fusion is shipping on its 10mm pistols. It has a better shelf for the hand to engage, while not being overly extended and thus risking accidental engagement. The mag release is similarly just enough larger to be handy, but not so big as to cause the mags to be dropped by accident. The safety is just right--stiff enough to only move if you try, but not so stiff as to be distracting.
Sights are Trijicons with yellow dots in the back and green in the front. I am a big fan of having the rear dots be a different color than the front, so was very happy to see this. It makes the front sight stand out and draw the eye to it. Grips are a gorgeous checkered wood in a dark red color. They are fairly thin and almost too pretty to leave on the gun as it will get carried. Still I like pretty grips on my 1911s so may leave them. I have Hakan's on my CDP and despite the wear leave them on. The checkering on the front strap and grips helps to off-set the fact that the bobed mainspring housing is smooth as glass. You can get a good grip on this pistol, yet have the concealment advantage of the bobtail grip. It took me some getting used to the look of such guns when I first saw them, but once you try it in an IWB rig under clothes you see the advantage of removing that corner.
So whatever I have said in the past about DW quality control issues, it is apparent that CZ has turned things around at least based on this pistol. As for how it shoots, the answer is very well. It shot perfectly to point of aim, and at 15m I could easily dump a magazine through a cloverleaf shaped hole. Rapid fire is no problem. I find the 10mm easy to shoot as I am used to it, so double-tap drills on two targets grouped as nicely as with 45. The CBOB is heavy enough to soak up the recoil better than an alloy framed 45. I found that one of my existing Metalform magazines had feeding issues, so set it aside. My other 4 magazines fed perfectly with zero feeding issues. The gun is tight, so I had perhaps 5 times when I needed to thumb the slide fully closed within the first 40-50 rounds. That cleared up as I expected for such a tightly fitted gun. Other than that it just ran and fed both factory and reloaded ammo without issues.
I am really glad I gave DW/CZ a second chance. If all the current crop of 10mms are this nice I may need a Razorback for my birthday this summer. My love of the 10mm has driven me to buy many different pistols, but my preference for the round is in the 1911. It looks like CZ has given Dan Wesson the tweaking the company needed to provide a 10mm 1911 that is up to the standards of quality we have come to expect from the maker of the venerable CZ-75 family.
John
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I got a PM7-10mm a few months ago and have been very impressed. I had to send off for a replacement firing pin stop because the one that came with the gun was improperly cut, causing the hammer to slam against the bottom part of the slide. they got me fixed up quick though - their customer service is fantastic. everything else about that gun has been superb. VERY accurate, very tight, and it just feels good in my hands. the fit and finish are both excellent. I can also handle the recoil of full-powered 10mm better than I could with my glock 20.
One thing I've noticed about my PM7-10 is that the basic frame and slide are perfect and solid, but there are a few cheap blued parts that they stick on them, such as the grip screw bushings, the barrel bushing, and firing pin stop (they have have changed that by now). my grip screw bushing threads were stripped within 300 rounds (on the bushings - the frame threads are still 100%), the barrel bushing is a fairly sloppy fit, and I already mentioned my problems with the firing pin stop. basically if you replace the cheaper blued parts with stainless ones, you will have a wonderful 1911 that will compete with the $1500+ guns easily. I love mine!
One thing I've noticed about my PM7-10 is that the basic frame and slide are perfect and solid, but there are a few cheap blued parts that they stick on them, such as the grip screw bushings, the barrel bushing, and firing pin stop (they have have changed that by now). my grip screw bushing threads were stripped within 300 rounds (on the bushings - the frame threads are still 100%), the barrel bushing is a fairly sloppy fit, and I already mentioned my problems with the firing pin stop. basically if you replace the cheaper blued parts with stainless ones, you will have a wonderful 1911 that will compete with the $1500+ guns easily. I love mine!
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