Looks like a great price. Can anyone tell me about their experience with it?
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=ASB12&groupid=17
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=ASB12&groupid=17
Any experience with this ammo? (S&B)
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ReloaderFred
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Sellier & Bellot have been making ammunition since the 1800's in Eastern Europe. While I have no experience with their 00 Buck, their handgun ammunition is top quality.
Hope this helps.
Fred
Hope this helps.
Fred
I'm happy with it.
bullturkey
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I shoot it out of a Saiga12 18 inch imp barrell and it groups poorly for me. At 15 yds it spreads all over a man size target. 25yds forget it. Hornady TAP groups about 8inch at 15 yds. I am guessing the lack of a shot cup is the cause. It does go bang everytime though. Price is outstanding.
Fred Fuller
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Like most inexpensive buckshot, it's what I refer to as 'to whom it may concern' shotgun ammo. It delivers what could charitably be called 'open patterns' out of most guns/chokes. And it's pretty consistent at doing that.
But it has always worked for me, even though it smells sorta like a mattress burning when you shoot it (does it still have felt wads?). They may have changed some things about it in recent years, I don't know. I too stocked up on it many years ago and still have lots left from those original cases. But it looks the same when i've examined newer production in passing.
Most inexpensive buckshot has several characteristics in common that produce open patterns:
1) unplated buckshot pellets made from dead soft lead
2) no grex or buffering in the shot column to protect the pellets from contact with each other
3) no shot cup or shot collar to protect the pellets from contact with the bore
4) not much in the way of a wad column to protect the pellets from the jolt of firing
Those things usually mean pellets that get not just flat spots on firing, but more like facets on a gemstone. Those flat spots send the pellets skating off at weird angles when they leave the bore- thus wide open patterns.
Which is a good thing, if you like open patterns. But if you need to knock down a pepper popper in a match at 30 yards... not so good.
But it IS cheap. And it IS buckshot. And it has always been reliable for me. Even if it stinks to shoot.
hth,
lpl
But it has always worked for me, even though it smells sorta like a mattress burning when you shoot it (does it still have felt wads?). They may have changed some things about it in recent years, I don't know. I too stocked up on it many years ago and still have lots left from those original cases. But it looks the same when i've examined newer production in passing.
Most inexpensive buckshot has several characteristics in common that produce open patterns:
1) unplated buckshot pellets made from dead soft lead
2) no grex or buffering in the shot column to protect the pellets from contact with each other
3) no shot cup or shot collar to protect the pellets from contact with the bore
4) not much in the way of a wad column to protect the pellets from the jolt of firing
Those things usually mean pellets that get not just flat spots on firing, but more like facets on a gemstone. Those flat spots send the pellets skating off at weird angles when they leave the bore- thus wide open patterns.
Which is a good thing, if you like open patterns. But if you need to knock down a pepper popper in a match at 30 yards... not so good.
But it IS cheap. And it IS buckshot. And it has always been reliable for me. Even if it stinks to shoot.
hth,
lpl
arizona98tj
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I use S&B 00 buckshot for some of my practice sessions. I picked up some a few months ago with it was selling for $10.88 a box of 25 (before a 20% discount). In my Benelli, I wouldn't use it much past 15 yards. Up to that point, it would appear to be just fine. If I wanted tight buckshot groups, I would shoot Federal flight control.
Here is target with three rounds of S&B 00, shot from my Benelli SuperNova Tactical.
Here is target with three rounds of S&B 00, shot from my Benelli SuperNova Tactical.
Fred Fuller
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It should do OK. It's roll crimped and the shells may be a bit long, which may cut your magazine capacity by one round, depending on your gun. That shouldn't be a huge issue, but some people get all upset if they can't get every possible shell into their shotgun. I don't know how you feel in that regard, IMHO it's a lot more important to practice loading the gun than it is to strive for gigantic magazine capacity.
I've never left S&B loaded in a gun for long periods of time, so I don't know how well the hulls hold up to extended pressure from the magazine spring. Some shells will bulge if left in a tubular magazine for a long time and cause trouble chambering, but that's more usual in loads with collapsing plastic wad columns as a rule. I wouldn't think it would be a problem with S&B any more than any other brand, but it's something to watch out for. At least with S&B you won't break the bank if you shoot up what's in the gun every few months and replace it with fresh ammo.
The main thing is to buy a couple of boxes of it (or any ammo you're considering for serious use) first and run them through your gun, to see how well they work. That way you don't get stuck with a couple of cases of ammo your gun doesn't like. If you can get 15 rounds out of the gun as fast as you can load it with no hiccups, you'll know the S&B will work in your gun when it's hot. Reliability IN YOUR GUN is the key to defensive ammo- cost is a secondary consideration. If it won't run in the gun, it's worse than useless.
A secondary issue is that you will need to switch to slugs a good bit closer in to get hits on more distant targets than if you were using buckshot that yielded useful patterns at longer ranges. You might want to start keeping some slugs on the gun in a Sidesaddle or butt cuff if you don't already, and practice your 'select slug' drills.
fwiw,
lpl
I've never left S&B loaded in a gun for long periods of time, so I don't know how well the hulls hold up to extended pressure from the magazine spring. Some shells will bulge if left in a tubular magazine for a long time and cause trouble chambering, but that's more usual in loads with collapsing plastic wad columns as a rule. I wouldn't think it would be a problem with S&B any more than any other brand, but it's something to watch out for. At least with S&B you won't break the bank if you shoot up what's in the gun every few months and replace it with fresh ammo.
The main thing is to buy a couple of boxes of it (or any ammo you're considering for serious use) first and run them through your gun, to see how well they work. That way you don't get stuck with a couple of cases of ammo your gun doesn't like. If you can get 15 rounds out of the gun as fast as you can load it with no hiccups, you'll know the S&B will work in your gun when it's hot. Reliability IN YOUR GUN is the key to defensive ammo- cost is a secondary consideration. If it won't run in the gun, it's worse than useless.
A secondary issue is that you will need to switch to slugs a good bit closer in to get hits on more distant targets than if you were using buckshot that yielded useful patterns at longer ranges. You might want to start keeping some slugs on the gun in a Sidesaddle or butt cuff if you don't already, and practice your 'select slug' drills.
fwiw,
lpl
Hunterdad
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Thats what I use for HD. I like it alot.
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