Any experience with Wilson compensator for 1911?

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Does anybody have personal experience using the compensator that Wilson makes for the 1911 .45 that installs by swapping out the barrel bushing? It looks like a seriously easy way to add a compensator to my .45 but it seems to good to be true. Also if these things work that well, are there other brands just as good for less money? The one I am interested is Wilson part #397 called "Multi-Comp"

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It looks like a muzzle break more than than it does a comp. I strongly doubt, by the design and the means of installation, that it can work as a compensator. I may be wrong, please correct me experts!
 
We don't need no stinkin compensators!

j/k :p I've actually looked at them myself but had more of a question about whether they affect muzzle flip or or reward recoil. It could change the way the gun cycles.

I have a compensator on my 460 rowland conversion, and I can tell you this it makes a HUGE difference in the way the gun operates. You actually have pressures in the 44 mag range and even with using only 16 lb recoil spring it wouldn't eject the spent casing!

You would need to do some serious reliability testing before taking it out.
 
Yes, they will work, though of course not as good as standard screw-on compensators.

Yes, there are a few other companies that also make them so you may find a cheaper one. Try doing a search for them at www/brownells.com
 
I tried several compensators including one by (I think) Jim Clark, the Wilson Accucomp, and some others, back when I was an active competition shooter (IPSC and USPSA). I also was allowed to try the original Clark Pin-Gun (for bowling pin matches). The pingun didn't have a port and was essentially a weighted extension of the barrel and slide. Yes, they all "worked" in that they did reduce muzzle flip. The problem with their use on a 45, if it is a problem, is that the 45acp is a relatively low-pressure round. They work (the ported models) on the basis that the pressure behind the bullet will be ejected upward, thereby reducing muzzle flip, and to a noticable degree, do. However, they are MUCH MORE effective on the higher pressure rounds like the 38 Super that is "hotted up" enough to make Major caliber in competition.
With that being said, I chose not to equip my 1911 with one because doing so would automaticly take me out of the Limited Class, and put me in with the 'big boys' shooting the high pressure raceguns in the Open/Unlimited Class, where I'd be at even more of a disadvantage. If you are or want to be a competitor in open class, I'd be looking at smaller, higher pressure calibers. I've been out of it so long now that I don't know the current calibers of choice.
Now, assuming that you already have a 45 and aren't going to be competeing, there are some practical aspects you might find that would argue against adding a compensator to your pistol.
1 The availability of finding a suitable holster for your needs.
2 If this is to be a defence gun, and you shoot it in low light, the resulting (depending on your load) muzzle flash WILL blind you.
3 If you shoot at an indoor or covered range and someone hasn't been there before you with a compensated pistol, the first time you shoot, the upwardly ejecting gasses are going to dislodge every bit of dust, dirt, bugs etc, and shower it down on you. Promise.
4 Again, if this is to be a self-defence pistol, I would advise against making any modifications to it other than tritium sights, or modifications (if necessary) to make it 100%reliable. Though I don't have any hard facts, after you've used your gun in SD, the attorney for the family of the puke that broke in, is going to try to prove that any mods you made to the gun were done because the factory gun wasn't deadly enough for you, and that you tried to make it even more lethal, etc. For this same reason, never use your own (or anyone else's) reloads as your defence rounds, use factory ammo, and preferably the same brand and type as your local PD or SD is issued (so long as it functions reliably in your gun).
Anyway, these are my thoughts based on my own experiences with compensated pistols. Hope it helps.
 
Bushing "compensators" aren't much help because the opening has to be large enough to pass the barrel as it protrudes with the slide in recoil. This lets most of the gas exit with and around the bullets in the usual direction, contributing jet effect to the recoil.

A real compensator attached to the barrel can have openings in the baffles just a few thousandths larger than the bullet and will redirect enough gas to affect recoil and muzzle rise.
 
Thank you

Thanks everybody for the quick response and experienced suggestions/reviews, based on what was said I will be spending my money elsewhere on the gun.
 
Otter, I just wanted to add... The several compensated "race guns" I tried in the early and mid nineties (in .38 Super), some iron-sighted, some with red-dot frame mounted optics were truly amazing pistols! I don't think that any of them had a muzzle rise exceeding 1/2", and most in the 1/8 to 1/4" range... VERY quick to get back on target. Also, all of them had the compensators epoxied or threaded onto the barrel. Mr Watson (above), as is his custom, is absolutely right about the minimal clearances found in an attached comp.
I just wanted to clear up any possible question I may have left regarding comps... I'm certainly not against them, it's just that they aren't very effective with the 45acp, though they work like magic with the higher pressure cartridges.
 
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I dunno, 32, I had several .45s with compensators and while there was not as much difference as on an overloaded .38 Super, the recoil and jump reduction was worth having. I went into a frenzy of compensator removal when I shifted from IPSC to IDPA. Wish I had kept a couple, the Modified gun was very smooth shooting and the OACP Carry Comp had less felt recoil than a standard G.M.
 
Jim, I really do agree with you. Compared to a standard un-comped 5" 1911, a comped 45 does have less felt recoil and muzzle flip; a lot less. But, I'm pretty sure that a large portion of the reduction in movement under recoil (in 45acp) is due largely to the additional weight and length of the comp itself (it takes more force to move a longer, heavier object the same distance) and aided only somewhat more by the gasses being directed upward. I'm basing this on a direct, pistol-to-pistol comparison. Early in the 90's, I did a considerable amount of work for John Shaw; then reigning 3 gun champ. One day, on his invitation, I went down to his shooting school and had the opportunity to run several mags through both his Clark Pin-gun, and his Wilson Accucomp. The essential difference between them (for this discussion), is that the Pin-gun's "comp" was basicly an 1 1/2" unported extension of the barrel and slide, and the Accu-comp was a 2 chambered (I believe... it's been a while) comp of roughly the same dimension, and maybe 2" long. Up to this point, nearly all my shooting had been with my stock Gold Cup series 70 NM with beaver tail gs., and compared to my GC, the Clark "flipped" about a third less than mine, and the Wilson even a little less. These are SIGNIFICANT reductions, to be sure, compared to my Gold Cup, but the difference between the Clark and the Wilson were not that great; leading me to believe, at least in 45acp, that the primary reduction to felt recoil and muzzle flip were mostly due to the additional weight and length of their respective comps. Yes, the overall nod did go to the Wilson.
I do want to make it clear that I'm not disagreeing (or at least not trying to) with you. These are merely my impressions from one afternoon, with those three guns, 15 or more years ago. My experiences with hi-cap, 38 Super raceguns occurred 2 or more years later.
I agree that the difference between comped and uncomped is worth having, but mostly only if you are rapid-firing. Their value in slowfire might be in the possible reduction of felt recoil, or the extended sight radius. But at the time, I was writing to a guy whose skills, abilities, and intentions I knew/know nothing about. I'm probably guilty of assuming that because he was interested in a bushing-mounted "drop-in" comp, he might be either somewhat new to 1911s or competing. (If I'm wrong there, I'm sorry Otter).

Anyway Jim, that's just my 2 cents worth.... nah, maybe 3, and worth everything ya paid for it. Hey, your nickname isn't "Patches" is it?
Robb
 
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