Any Mini 14 Experts out there?

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I'm looking into a mini-14, stainless factory folder. Yes, I watched the A-Team a few too many times. Anyway, I'm narrowing down my search. My questions are:
1. One guy has a factory folder ranch for sale. Did they ever make a ranch version with the factory folder?
2. Some of the guns are GB models, while others are not. Some have flash suppressors and/or bayo lugs while others don't. What does GB mean? Should I expect to pay more for the GB? Which models did or didn't have the flash suppressor and bayo lug?
3. How do I know the gun is a factory folder? I saw one at a gunshop that looked like a factory folder, but the guy showed me where the aftermarket logo on the stock was.
4. How much should I pay for one of these?
5. Any good places I should look?
Thanks in advance for your help.
 
To each his own, my friend. But after three Mini-14s, I wouldn't have another one as a gift. Unless I needed a boat anchor. But if you like them, more power to you. I certainly hope you have better luck with them that I had.
 
I agree. For the amount of $$$ you're going to spend on a pre-ban factory folder, you could easily buy an AR.

FWIW, the pilot episode of "The A-Team" had them all using M16A1's. I truely do believe that, if they hadn't switched, the show wouldn't have been as popular. M16A1's on TV are boring.
 
As near as I can tell from four years of discussions and catfights at TFL about Minis:

They're extremely reliable. Some of the high-cap magazines are not.

The thin barrel means they heat quickly in firing, and "walk about a bit". Thus it is rare to get tight groups beyond the first three or so shots. This is of little importance for hunting, and not particularly important for typical under-100-yard plinking at tin cans and suchlike.

There have been some quality-control problems in assembly of the gas port parts, but this is easily checked and fixed.

I've not looked at Ranch Rifles, but the rear sight is said to be a bit delicate against bumps.

I've had two blued and two stainless Minis. I used the Weaver K4 scope on all of them, and usually got three-shot groups of 1.5 to 2.0 minutes of angle. (1.5" to 2" at 100 yards.)

All of the Minis I had were not at all picky about what sort of ammo they were fed. GI, factory stuff, reloads of various sorts...

I dunno nuttin' 'bout the folders.

Art
 
Was told at the factory that GB stood for grenade launcher, bayonet lug. When I use to subscribe to GunLists, folders were worth about $400-500 more. I think Ruger is stamped on the buttplate but I'll have to check later.
 
I have a GBF-20 in my collection...

G : Government
B: Bayonet lug
F: Folding stock
-20: came from factory with 20rd. mags.

To find out more about a particular firearm, you can call Ruger directly and ask to speak to the records dept. With the serial number provided to them, they can tell you the orig. config of the gun, and date of manufacture...

Yes, they did come from the factory in ranch config. with folding stock.
I can tell you this, because my buddy got THE last one ever sold to a civilian. It seems they had one sitting on the shelves in the warehouse since the assult rifle ban came into effect.
In Canada, they are not banned, so after a bunch of paperwork and a long wait, they shipped it North O' the Border. He called Ruger and they verified that there were no more to be had...
Who knows... It might have been the last one ever produced by the factory...
Hope this helps...

Autolite, care to add more?
 
I am no expert. I have a SS Mini-14 ranch with plastic furniture. It is reliable. I put a Weaver rimfire scope on her. But she is not all that accurate. The best mags are the new 'factory 10 rounders" on the market. I like her nevertheless and think she is a good knock around truck gun. Albeit way too expensive !!!

All that said, I finally bought a Bushy 16" A2 AR-15 and just love it. Save your money and buy the AR.
 
FITS explained it pretty much the way it is ...

I purchased a new (authentic) factory folder Mini-14 Ranch Rifle about a year-and-a-half-ago. The model code is 'KMINI 14 5RF". 'K' designates it as being stainless steel. '5' indicates the factory shipped it with a five round magazine (the highest capacity rifle magazine generally permited in Canada with only a few exceptions). 'R' meaning 'Ranch' and 'F' being folding stock. Sturm Ruger was unable to confirm that it was "the last" factory folder sold to a civilian, but in a letter dated July 2001 they did say that factory folders were being phased out of production. The western Canadian distributor for Sturm Ruger, (Inland Pacific Co.), told the gun dealer where I purchased the Mini that it would be the last Mini 14 factory folder to come into Canada.

When it began to sink in that the FF stock would soon be collectable, I decided to put the stock away for safe keeping and order another FF stock from Sturm Ruger so I could take the gun into the bush and not have to worry about getting it scratched and dinged up. It turns out that Sturm Ruger was not even able to get me another folding stock, so I bought a Butler Creek folder that I like very much. The Butler Creek is a rugged, good looking stock but makes the rifle considerably heavier (compared to the FF wooden stock).

As previously mentioned, the rear sight is a bit 'whimpy' but it permits easy installation of a scope and mounts. (The receiver is machined with 'half moon' slots for quick attachment of scope rings. This was the whole concept behind the Ranch model). I like the looks of a 'non-ranch' Mini 14 better but mounting a scope is more of a bother (and you need a deflector for the brass).

As for price, well, you can factor in about 1/3 of the cost is for the 'novelty' of owning a Mini 14 (Thank You "A" Team). It is not, IMHO, a poor rifle at all, but the extra money you pay is not for it's quality. An AR15 is a better rifle all around (accuracy, ruggedness and ease of assy/disassy).

Reference as to identifying non-FF stocks, I can't help you out much there except to say that my FF stock hasn't any markings or insignia of any type that I can find. Also, I am reasonably certain that you can't duplicate a FF stock buy simply cutting down a full factory wooden stock. The contours in the grip area of the two stocks are noticably quite different.

To learn more about Mini 14's, check out a handbook published by Paladin Press entitled "The Mini-14". It was written by Duncan Long and gives a good history of the model with lots of technical data. The book was copyrighted 1987 (pre-ban) so of course the info is dated. It is still a good resourse book if you like Mini's.

As for a price, well what can you say? I know I paid too much for mine because I wanted it very badly. Like anything else, you might get a good deal if the seller needs the cash or doesn't know what the market will bear. I know a guy who got a screaming deal on his because (I strongly suspect) that the seller thought that this particular model was about to become prohibited. The seller didn't check out the new laws carefully and dumped the rifle for considerably less than what he could have gotten. Don't wait too long for deal, though, I haven't seen too many true FF stocks around.

Anyway, good luck on your search. I hope you find what you're looking for ...
 
One word of warning. Do not ever use the sling in the shooting position on a mini-14. On mine the metal was so soft that it pulled apart alowing the action to lift quite a bit right out of the stock. This of course produced groups that were basketball size. I fixed it by simply pounding down the soft metal for a tight fit and the gun was accurate again but I am unable to use the sling when shooting in a match.

For the money you are way better off with a heavy barrel AR15 weapon. They will shoot 1/4 inch groups as opposed to the 2 to 4 inch groups you will get with a mini 14.
 
Oh Yeah, one other thing ...

For the true Mini 14 enthusiast, there's the 'K-AC-556 F'. This is a factory short barreled stainless steel folding stock select fire version of a Mini 14. I saw one once for sale on the net but the asking price gave me a brain hemorrhage ...
 
An excellent idea poorly executed.

Ruger's refusal to make a 10 round magazine availabe is *#(&&(%$.

I tried. It was an excercise in futility.
 
For those of you recommending the AR-15, already got one. Colt Sporter. Love it.

Want the Mini-14 for fun. Considering the AK-47 too, but as of right now, that will come later.

Saw a SS Mini 14 factory folder go on Gunbroker for $761.00. I know, I should have been sitting by my computer at auction end ready to sniper bid. But alas, I didn't. I've seen a few elsewhere that I can get for 950 or so. Maybe 900 if I push. Is this a good deal?

For those of you who don't like them, why not? I'm most interested in reliability and good (though not great) accuracy.
 
An excellent idea poorly executed.
That phrase could well apply to a couple of other Ruger products as well.

Notes about the Ranch Rifle: The rear sight is a joke but replacements are available. Ruger rings are lousy but replacements are available. The stock never fit me but replacements are available. The barrel isn't very good but replacements are available.

Seems to be the story of the Ruger Mini. Not very good but replacements are available.

And finally the brass ejection on a Ranch is vigorous. I have a lovely Leupold Compact 2.5x that has several dings after being mounted on a Mini. Never shoot this rifle with someone on your right. It's a good way to cause conflict on the range.

Paul
 
PJR made a good point ...

that I forgot to mention. The Ranch rifle really tosses the brass. If your not happy with the way the rifle shoots, just practice your brass grouping. I can get ten brass cases under an eight-and-half-inch group at thirty yards ...
 
Regarding brass slinging, Mike Knifong sells a set of different sized gas bushings that allow you to reduce bolt velocity and case ejection to more rational levels. IIRC, the smallest bushing causes it to throw cases only a few feet, like an AR.

IMO, I believe the gas bushings Ruger uses from the factory are ridiculously oversized; the high velocities beat parts (and scopes) to death. The back of the bolt on my mini-14 RR is actually peened from hitting the hammer so hard during cycling.

bE
 
It amazes me that you guys talk about buying AK's AR's etc. In this stinking state, the Mini is all we get. I have a stainless ranch, and yes it does sling the brass. It is however rather sturdy, as I have had no problems. Ruger mags are or course the best. I have several high cap's, and they work perfectly. PMI is another good brand that goes for about half a factory mag. When I move from this state, I will get some of the rifles that I have always dreamed of. In the mean time, my mini is all I get ... :banghead:




Larry
 
I'm with you Tady. I've got ARs, AKs, HKs (even the 43 which is the earlier Saco imported version of the 93) but they're all in Nevada where they don't have to be registered. :( Even my Mini-14 is out of state (GBF) but I've got my buddy's regular Mini here. I'm hoping that the Kel-Tec isn't a Kel-Suck when it comes to accuracy. I'll pick one up if someone says they're accurate.
 
Mini-14's do group brass nicely...

The guy in the upper part of this BAR photo was hitting me in the head and neck with hot .223 brass as I was trying to shoot the BAR. To add insult to injury, he had an aftermarket hicap magazine. Good thing he had the barrel shroud. He was peeved about his open groups on the 100 yard target, and had hunkered down even tighter on the bench rest for the next attempt. I was just hoping I could catch some of his brass mid-air with the digital camera. ;)


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I'm looking into a mini-14, stainless factory folder. Yes, I watched the A-Team a few too many times. Anyway, I'm narrowing down my search. My questions are:
1. One guy has a factory folder ranch for sale. Did they ever make a ranch version with the factory folder?
2. Some of the guns are GB models, while others are not. Some have flash suppressors and/or bayo lugs while others don't. What does GB mean? Should I expect to pay more for the GB? Which models did or didn't have the flash suppressor and bayo lug?
3. How do I know the gun is a factory folder? I saw one at a gunshop that looked like a factory folder, but the guy showed me where the aftermarket logo on the stock was.
4. How much should I pay for one of these?
5. Any good places I should look?
Thanks in advance for your help.
 
The Mini 14 is a good rifle to have in your collection if you want different rifles to shoot. I have a stainless 183 series with 10K+ rounds down the pipe and it still shoots great. My son has a 185 series folder. It's unfired so I can't say how it shoots.
For the right price I would buy another. From what I'm seeing around here everyone wants $600 + and that's too much IMHO.
 
Roger ringsE="PJR, post: 58393, member: 1906"]That phrase could well apply to a couple of other Ruger products as well.

Notes about the Ranch Rifle: The rear sight is a joke but replacements are available. Ruger rings are lousy but replacements are available. The stock never fit me but replacements are available. The barrel isn't very good but replacements are available.

Seems to be the story of the Ruger Mini. Not very good but replacements are available.

And finally the brass ejection on a Ranch is vigorous. I have a lovely Leupold Compact 2.5x that has several dings after being mounted on a Mini. Never shoot this rifle with someone on your right. It's a good way to cause conflict on the range.

Paul[/QUOTE]
Ruger rings are lousy? You're reasons? The stock doesn't fit YOU so its no good?
OP asked about the mini. Not 100 reasons ARs are the only gun worth owning.
 
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