Any problems with recent Glock 19s?

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SlimeDog

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I'm a relatively new pistol shooter who is looking for a 9mm pistol that I can learn & have fun with and, later on, carry.

Initially, I narrowed it down to a Glock 19 or a Springfield XD-9. While I like both, the Glock is a bit smaller and seems to have less muzzle flip, not to mention a much shorter trigger reset. (As an aside, to a guy who's used to the trigger on a S&W Model 17, these things feel REALLY funny). Both guns point nicely, and appear to be well-made. While the XD seems to be a great gun, I do like the 19 a bit more.

This would be the happy ending to the story if I hadn't heard about slide rail failures and phase 3 malfunctions. To the best of my knowledge, the rail problems were limited to pistols with serial numbers mainly beginning with "E" and have since been resolved.

I haven't found much recent information about the nature and likelihood of a phase 3 jam. Are they ammo related? Has anyone outside the NYPD seen them? Given that most of those pistols were probably delivered in the mid-90s, are new 19s still subject to this kind of failure?

Do I really have anything to worry about with a new Glock 19? Or are such concerns mainly internet amplified no-never-minds?

In the few weeks I've been lurking on these boards, I get the impression that talking about potential problems with Glocks can get folks on both sides of the fence pretty excited. I sure don't mean to ruffle any feathers - I'm just hoping for some reassurance from those "who know" that my $479.99 will be well-spent on a dependable firearm.

Many thanks!

PS: Even with my relatively small hands, I can get the distal joint right on top of the 19's trigger "safety." However, I can't reach the mag release with my thumb without changing my grip. Is this a problem? On the XD, I can use my trigger finger on the lefty release w/o moving my grip.
 
2183 followers will not feed certain JHP. Mostly, the last round will nosedive. Don't ask me how I know.
 
Just bought me another G19, very lightly used. I'm guessing I have something just shy of 10k rounds thru different G19's made w/in the past 3 yrs and I've never had a malf, ever. That included 2 guns affected by the frame rail issue, both of which Glock swapped out for me. I, personally, have not had any probs with the 2183 followers, but I shoot only Gold Dots in HP ammo.

Don't worry abt the mag release - it's very common for folks to have to "flip" the gun in one's hand to release a mag during a mag swap, and certainly not just with Glocks.
 
GLOCKTALK had a very thorough, and sometimes very heated, discussion regarding G19's. Certainly Glock having to repair 24,000 NYPD pistols was embarrassing.

I believe the G19 problem has been resolved.
 
Thanks for the pointer to Glock Talk, WT.

This thread:

http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=85359&highlight=phase+malfunction+barrel

implies that the Phase Three malfunctions were probably the result of trigger modifications that the NYPD made to all of their 19s. Additionally, it was noted that there have been some changes made to the extractors and barrels in more recent models. The consensus seems to be that Phase 3s are not a significant issue any longer.

Thanks to everyone for their input.
 
I have a second generation G19 that I bought as a factory refurb. I have had no problems with it and the five magazines I have, all with the dreaded 2183 followers.
 
Sumuvabeech! I took my Glock 19 shooting last week just to use up some old carry ammo I had on hand. I had numerous "nosedive" failures, not just with the last round. Puzzled, I went home and have been mulling over it the last few days. Having discovered this post, I took a look at the 10-round mags I was using and sure enough the followers have 2183 on them.
 
I got an F-series 19 that I use for a duty gun (replaced the 2nd generation G19 I used before that). Though the gun has less than a thousand rounds through it (but over 800) it has never had a malfunction. This includes the Winchester value packs and a variety of hollow points. I wouldn't use the gun if I didn't trust it 100%. Keep in mind, though, that I'm using the L.E. magazines which are generally considered the most reliable of the breed. It's a great gun with pretty good 10 round magazines available. Just keep working towards ending the ban so everyone can have the decent mags.
Let us know what you decide.

(Incidentally, I have a 4" XD-9 which I truly like. I have fired about 160 rounds through it without failure. I slightly prefer the Glock and have tested them much more extensively).
 
God help me, but might I suggest you hold a Steyr M or S series before you decide on the Glock or XD. I found the Steyr to be a much more comfortable shooter than the Glock (just the way it feels in my hand-personal preference)
The XD's are nice as well and more comfortable than the Glock. I do like the Glocks trigger more however. The Steyr comes in between the two with the Glock being on top. Recoil feels harshest with the Glock but I attribute this to the fact I can't get a comfortable grip on the Glock. XD and Steyr are fine.

http://www.impactguns.com/store/steyr_m9.html
 
Lone_Gunman said

You can still get new 9mm3 followers the last time I checked from Glockmeister

Why buy them when Glock will mail them to you for free...

770-432-1202
or toll free at
866-225-4098

or you can even mail them the whole mag and they'll even put in a new spring for you as well the updated follower.

They are very nice and friendly people...ask nicely and you shall receive...while you're at it, ask for some posters, and trinkets and even the Glock Annual, all for free, including the call!

I've always found them to be friendly and helpful to deal with.
 
Dinod,

I tried to get some from Glock, but it as like pulling teeth.

I talked to nice friendly people on the phone, who said they would send some, as well as some free new mags that had the 9mm3 followers already installed.

Unfortunately, I had to talk to them about 5 or 6 times before I actually received anything at all, and when I did all it was was 2 mags, and no new followers.
 
Picked up an OD Glock 19 this weekend. I'll admit it - I'm kind of hooked. Very nice, no-nonsense pistol. Heck, the spouse even approves. Nevertheless, I have this strange feeling that I've gone over to the dark side... I sure hope the guy who said, "if you're liking Glocks, then God has abandoned you" is wrong.

Yes, the mags have the 2183 followers - I'm calling Glock today.

A brief range report is forthcoming.

Thanks for the advice.
 
The infamous Phase Three malfunction was not just w NYPD guns.

Happened to two other folks I know, one a local officer. His gun ran fine for yrs, then started doing it for no reason he could determine. He was surprised that it had been a known problem for so long (since 96 w NYPD) and he had not heard about it. His gun did it w Fed +P+. The other lucky guy was also a Glock armorer, and he couldn't figure out why his was doing it, or how to make it stop; he replaced darn near everything possible. Sent it to Glock, who gave it a try, came back still doing it. He sold it w full disclosure of the problem. Pat Rogers mentioned 6 G19s did it 18 times in a class at Gunsite w PMC ammo.

So... does not appear to be limited to anything NYPD did w trigger setup, nor any particular type/brand of ammo, nor handling and maintenance, nor parts. A gun that has run fine from the begining can start doing it too...

The gremlin comes, the gremlin goes? ;)
 
BrokenArrow, you seem to be the only one that knows anything about the “Phase Three malfunction†outside of the NYPD… ;)

Lots of G19’s out there without any problem… let’s not ignore those.
 
Yikes!

BrokenArrow, where were you BEFORE I got the 19?

;-)

I take it both of your friends had several Phase 3s, and that there was no clear pattern/root-cause. Unable to clear these jams w/o heroic efforts? Hum. Do you know when their 19s were produced? I'm still hoping that Glock learned something from the NYPD failures and made changes to address the problem.

I guess it's good motivation to test the heck out of the gun, eh? That should be pretty fun. I'll certainly post any problems I have here.

Thanks again for the input.
 
SlimeDog, don't sweat it, until you start throwin' lead with that puppy. I have a second generation G19, that I have had no problems, except for when the extractor claw broke off. Ordered a new one and replaced, back up and running.
 
Unless you're in NY don't worry about it. Why is it those folks are the only ones with that "problem"?

I'm on my second 19 with no problems, not even 2183 followers. My 19 is one sweet shooter I won't part with.

If you call Glock they will send you followers for free.
 
So is my dad... what's your point?

My point being, is that he follows this stuff pretty closely. If you have question on something, he can either answer it for you or point you in the direction that is needed. Read and learn.
 
Gotta know where to look?

Gadzooks! Let it go; didn't bother me at all.

No, I have not heard of any recent problems. Glock made some mods to the guns in 02, haven't heard anything since, but I haven't really looked for anything either.

I just commented that it wasn't limited to NYPD guns, or something they did/didn't do w those guns, or their ammo. That seems to have bothered some folks? Nor am I the only one who knows about it.

I am not "in the know". I am just a gunzine gadly, another moron w a modem. It's all out there in forums, newspapers, LE bulletins, etc. Seek and ye shall find. Feel free to consider the source and disregard whatever ya like. Or don't like.

NYPD started having the prob in 96. As of a NY Times article in Oct 98, 88 NYPD guns did it 134 times. More did it after that. The NYPD G19s did it w std pressure Win ammo, and +P Speer ammo. They did it mostly at the practice range, but twice during shoot outs, one in 97 and another in 98 according to Sean McMahon, Lt. NYPD, Ret. Two Glocks failed during a shootout in Brooklyn in 00, but those did not Phase Three, they had another problem (that NY Daily News article does not specify what problem). Did not happen to any other NYPD guns shooting the same ammo, in hands trained the same way, in guns maintained and cared for the same way, over the same time period.

NYPD had the most, but they were not the only ones to have them w their Glocks. Other LE agencies had them, and a govt agency had them using M882 NATO ammo in their Glocks. Pat Rogers (on staff at Gunsite) saw several do it w PMC ammo, and his did it too. I know an Albuquerque PO whose gun did it. I know another guy back east whose gun did it...

Like he said, by far most do not, lets not ignore those. Just like most Berettas don't break slides and crack frames, most SIGs don't crack frames and break slides (some P229s did break slides in two like the Berettas did ya know?), most Walthers and USPs won't break firing pins, or break the frames in two when ya drop 'em on concrete (yep, some did that), etc.

So don't worry about any of them. I don't. Stuff happens. To everybody sooner or later. A Glock 34 9x19 kBd (ruptured bbl) w PMC factory ammo at the S&W IDPA Winter Championship!

Take care of your gun, whatever it is, use good quality ammo, and cultivate good karma as a headge aginst Lady Luck frowning and Mr. Murphy dropping in. Then go for your BUG (back up gun). :)
 
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