Anybody carry and ski?

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STEAMBOAT SPRINGS - A 52-year-old man assaulted a teenage girl after a collision between the girl and the man's daughter, according to police.

Randal Berg of Littleton was arrested Sunday for the assault in which he reportedly punched the 16-year-old in the back and head.

The teenager told police she ran over Berg's 7-year-old daughter's skis with her snowboard and then the two fell to the ground. Berg saw his daughter on the ground and began attacking the snowboarder, according to Steamboat Springs Police Captain Joel Rae.

The snowboarder told police she was apologizing to the 7-year-old when Berg attacked her.

Police say Berg hit the girl repeatedly in the back of the head. The teen was wearing a helmet.

A group of witnesses intervened and separated Berg from the girl, police said. The witnesses also corroborated the girl's story, according to police.

After being separated from the snowboarder Berg launched into a tirade and threatened "to (expletive) kill" the snowboarder, police said.

The snowboarder was able to descend to the bottom of the mountain and walked away without serious injury.

Berg was taken to Routt County Jail and booked on charges of third-degree assault and disorderly conduct. He was released Monday on $1,000 bond. He is scheduled to appear in Routt County Court on Feb. 14.

The accident occurred near the base of the ski mountain, where Steamboat Springs police have jurisdiction.

Rae said he has never heard of such an incident.

"There are fights and misunderstandings, but never have I seen anything with that kind of rage in my law enforcement career," the captain said.

Remember -- The person furthest down the hill has the right-of-way.

This father went WAY crazy, but there are way too many out of control skiers and snowboarders out there.
 
skiing is not always a vacation for everyone.

I am suprised to be the only one to have had a need for a handgun while skiing. Mine was needed for fending off wildlife when my ski binding broke on the backside of Keystone Mountain. This is where the more advanced runs are, and by binding edged a tree and broke to pieces. I was only 15 at the time, but my dad was with me and tried to fix it. After realizing my ski was destroyed my cousing was instructed to go down the mountain and tell ski patrol we needed assistance. I forgot to mention I banged up my knee, and I wasnt about to walk 3 miles down a steep back woods slope. About 15 minutes past, and a wolve found its way near my dad and I. By now you are saying bullll ????, but I am serious, this really happen. The wolf kept its distance for a while, but suddenly it disappeared back into the treeline. 10 minutes later 2 appeared where the one was standing, and 1 was standing at our flank. They were literally circling us and closing in. My dad debated on carryingg his .357 service revolver with him on the ski trip, but sadly he left it in the car. He was a police officer at the time. To make an upsetting and long story short, we were both physically attacked, by 3 wolves, and my dad was the one who took the brunt of the attack. He protected me, by exposing his body to the unforgiving wolves. Ski poles lasted about 10 seconds before the cradle position took over. Ski poles have a ring around them that prevents them from going into the ground too far. That same deal applies to wolves. The only thing that saved us from being eaten by wolves that day was a flare gun the ski patrol gun shot at the wolves from above us. I usually never tell this story without showing the pictures, because people wouldnt believe it. In this situation it really doesnt matter though.. The fact is that it could happen, and that is all you need to beleive. My dad has limited movement in his right arm to this day, and scarring that will never heal.

Obviously, I personally have found justification in carrying while skiing, not to mention there are some trashy people in those parking lots at night. I carried my weapon in my backpack this year wrapped in a sweat shirt. Of course the draw is slow, but the chance of getting robbed on your downhill run is slim. I pocket my piece before heading to the parking lot though. I fall a ton, and never had a problem with getting hurt, falling on it, or damaging the weapon. The backpack does not hinder my skiing at all, and its a great place to store my water bottle and granola bars
 
thatguy said:
Is there a real good chance you'll need to defend yourself while skiing?

A pretty good chance?

Any chance at all?

Of coarse , Have you not seen James Bond. It happens all the time.
And what if a Wild animal started chasing you ? If you are gonna water ski you may not need a gun unless it is shark infested waters.
 
hahaha.. this is a great post :evil:

i've never carried on the slopes (well, only been carrying 2 yrs honestly) but as the skiing and snowboarding image is drawing more and more teenagers and young adults to the slopes, they bring a bad and shaddy crowd.

in washington state, im speicficially talking about snoqualmie..

it's not unexpected that if you leave expensive skies and snowboards laying around outside that they'll get stolen. happens all the time, every day. what makes you think they wouldn't resort to standing near your car waiting for you? they're criminals, and criminals become greedy and as every criminal story i've ever read, they start with something like stealing and move up the ladder to armed robbery.

so yeah, i do carry on the slopes. but not a large one, just the G27 .40 subcompact in my waterproof ski jacket. i would say draw is about 3-4 seconds depending how fast i could take off my ski gloves.

don't think a bond situation might ever arise but.. hell, who knows? :evil:
 
Tenderfoot- Don't know where Keystone is... TX? Are you sure these were wolves and not feral dogs? Documented attacks on humans by wolves are so rare that some people doubt they even occur. Dogs running wild on the other hand can become ferocious and have no fear of humans. You are the first person I have ever heard of who claimed to have been attacked by wolves.

I heard about the nutty father over-reacting to the ski collision. He was hitting a girl on the back of her helmet. She was mildly shaken (mostly scared, I think) by the incident and it doesn''t appear to have been a serious assault. Would you shoot him? He was acting badly but it doesn't sound like a justifiable shooting.

Again, if you are skiing in very remote areas where there are dangerous animals... OK, take a gun if must ski there. But I would find a safer place to recreate. On criminal attacks, still sounds so rare to not be a serious problem. But if you feel better packing heat on the slopes (make sure it's a big, nasty gun with an aggressive name so you'll fully enjoy the experience) then by all means go right ahead. I wouldn't try to stop you from exercising your Second Amendment rights. I feel you have the right to carry if you like, even if it seems unnecessary to me.
 
To make an upsetting and long story short, we were both physically attacked, by 3 wolves
Excuse me, I'm not calling you a liar but:

1. Officially, there are no wolves in Colorado. Now, there may be a few and 1 or 2 have been spotted in the last 70 years or so.
2. Wolf attacks are extremely rare, especially on grown men. The McNay report found only 16 cases of people being wounded by non-rabid wolf attacks in the last 100 years in Alaska, Canada, and Minnesota combined. Alaska and Minnesota are the only states with a viable wild wolf population.

Scan your pictures and post them, please. A wolf attack in Colorado would be front page news, did you keep it a secret, or did I miss your interview with Katie Couric?
 
Ok, I've been skiing since I was 8 years old and even seriously competed in Slalom and Giant Slalom during my younger days. If there's one thing I've learned the hard way is that there is no way to determine how you will land after a spill. I've landed on almost every part of my body. Then again, while competing I was pushing for speed, which also leads to harder crashes.

I CCW pretty close to 100% when I leave the house. I don't though when I go skiing. Most times you run into families or groups of people just out to have fun at these mountains. Yes, I know you never know when something may happen. All I know is that you will most likely break a bone somewhere if you land on your CCW when you take a bad fall. Not worth the risk to me.
 
i dont think a pocket gun such as a keltec or glock subcompact will inflict any more damage in the event of a fall as a cell phone or wallet..

i ski a lot. i carry a g27. i fall ALL the time (b/c i like to take jumps) and i'm fine.

what do you carry rockriver? a 12inch desert eagle?


PS: a pocket gun on your upper legs would be putting pressure on your leg muscles. NOT bones.
 
You've just been lucky UW Student. I've landed on my wallet before in an upper chest pocket of my jacket. I landed in such a way that it actually bruised my rib. Just because it hasn't happened to you yet, doesn't mean it won't. Luck only goes so far. But that's OK. Live and learn. It may never happen. It may happen the next time you make a run. Who knows. If it does happen, you'll think twice about putting that Glock in you coat pocket. I guarantee you that.
 
Rockrivr1 said:
You've just been lucky UW Student. I've landed on my wallet before in an upper chest pocket of my jacket. I landed in such a way that it actually bruised my rib. Just because it hasn't happened to you yet, doesn't mean it won't. Luck only goes so far. But that's OK. Live and learn. It may never happen. It may happen the next time you make a run. Who knows. If it does happen, you'll think twice about putting that Glock in you coat pocket. I guarantee you that.

So i assume then that you carry absolutely NOTHING on your person when you ski that you can fall on?
 
"PS: a pocket gun on your upper legs would be putting pressure on your leg muscles. NOT bones"

Hummm, you don't say. Ever land on your leg after a spill and you land on mogul that's solid as a cube of ice. What happens? Muscle bruise, possible fracture. Now add a pocket gun between you and the mogul. What do you get. Even bigger muscle bruise and most likely a fracture.
 
Not really. Wallet in the car or locker. Cell phone in the car or at home. The only people I want to talk to are who I'm with.
 
Rockrivr1 said:
Not really. Wallet in the car or locker. Cell phone in the car or at home. The only people I want to talk to are who I'm with.

Mkay. I hope for you you never need anything.
Admitadly its not reall likely you will.
 
if you're affraid of a small thin pistol the size of a wallet or cell phone in your pants pocket busting your leg open while skiing, then you should DEFINATELY not be skiing at ALL.

the walkie talkie i take with me on a ski trip is about twice as thick as my glock.

i'm assuming, you don't take the necessary precautions to bring a walkie talkie in case you bust your knee and no one can hear you scream because it might help inflict damage to yourself in the event of an accident.

do you ski in a tight leather outfit?
 
Well I could send you a picture of me in my GS suit when I competed. :barf: No place to hide a subcompact there. If you ever get to that level and experience the abuse you body goes though give me a shout and we can talk skiiing and the injuries that can happen. Until then, you have no idea what your talking about.

Like I said above. Live and learn. I always ski in a group. Not something I worry about. Also never said I was afraid. If you want to push that angle go right ahead. Doesn't mean your right.

If you want to carry on the mountain because you think a rogue snowman is gonna get you then by all means carry. Never said you shouldn't. But, as with all things, you take your chances.
 
you're absolutely correct, if you're wearing a tight GS suit (since im thinking u wear it every time), and skiing in groups and running into families and friends in a tight GS suit with a gun buldging out wouldn't be to friendly.

but the statement that i'm stating my arguement is your "All I know is that you will most likely break a bone somewhere if you land on your CCW when you take a bad fall. Not worth the risk to me."

my arguement is this..

most skiers don't wear GS suits, and most skiers bring wallets, cell phones, walkie talkies, back packs and in my case.. a ccw.

bringing a small ccw will NOT break your legs. no more than a cell phone or walkie talkie would anyway..
 
Actually, I haven't worn that GS suit in some time. Doubt I could get my much larger behind into it now a days. Old age has a way of adding extra pounds.

My statement as you indicated goes with my fall that had my wallet bruise my rib. Now with the way I fell, I would of had a bruise anyway. But the wallet definitely helped. My thought on the matter though is that the wallet had some give to it as I actually cracked a credit card or two that was in it. If that had been my CCW, there would of been no give and the injury would of been more severe. Because of that I make a rule to carry nothing solid with me when I ski.

The only expection is when I go out west and ski out of bounds. Due to the danger involved I carry a GPS locator. I've taken some good falls after running into a rock or stump covered by the snow. Luckily I didn't land on the GPS device. I guess you could say there may be a need for a ccw in case I run into a pissed off wild animal. I figure though they are gonna need to run real fast to catch me!!!!!
 
for sure

i just want to keep our mountains safe and i honestly believe that having a considerable number of ccw holders on our mountains will put stop certain tragedies that could have otherwise have been prevented.

i already mentioned this before, i carry my ccw to ski. but ONLY after my skies (volks) got jacked.. then it came to me.. "hey, anywhere where there is advantage (money, harrassment, ect) to be taken from, the takers(criminals, rapist, ect) will take the advantage"

if you ever came to the state of WA and visited snoqualmie nowadays, you'll definately see why it wouldn't be a bad idea to carry a good .40 or something on the slopes.

it's unfortunate.. and your mountain is probably much safer to ski on and i probably wouldn't carry if your mountain didn't have pounding rap music played everywhere, the smell of marijuana arising every few minutes and fights outside of bars.
 
I can't wait to start my swimming and sport climbing threads! :D :evil:


-James

(going to carry the G19 in a shoulder holster again this weekend)
 
I'm afraid I would fall and lose my weapon in deep water before they could get the boat turned around to help me...
SatCong
 
Wow UWStudent that sounds like one bad mountain. I don't think I have ever been to a ski location like you described. If I did I probably would really reconsider carrying my ccw and leaving my wallet, cell phone etc in a locker. I'm surprised the owners let it stay that way. Then again, if they are making a profit, they are usually hesitant to make any changes.

Unfortunately thought getting your ski's jacked happens at every resort I've every been at. It definitely sucks. Back in the day when I seriously skied, I had a pair of Volkls P9SLs, 210s. Those suckers cost me two months pay. They were like my kids. I never let them out of my site. I think if they got stolen I probably would of cried. :rolleyes:
 
and the correct answer is....

simple... sell those skis, go to www.burton.com and buy yourself a snowboard, then get a good kydex IWB holster because you will no longer fall on your side... just your backwards on your butt, and foreward usually catching yourself with your hands.

Since youre a gun owner (i assume) you're well prepared for the verbal abuse you will get from most ignorant non-boarders who don't really understand what they are talking about, and get angry when a good boarder who is simply trying to ride down the mountain gets cut off by a novice skier (who is probably doing the whole sno-plow deal and destroying the groomed runs anyway), thus making the skier and his friends think you are some kind of adrenaline junkie who has no respect for others or their safety. Just like people who are ignorant about gun ownerships and CCW think it's unnecessary, irresponsible, unsafe, and inconsiderate of their rights and safety.


Sorry, i couldn't resist...can you tell what my other serious hobby is??
 
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