Anybody else find that their Baretta Tomcat shoots low?

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Epesiarch

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I've taken my new Baretta Tomcat to the range and found that at about 20 feet, it shoots an astonishing 6-8 inches (!) low, and even at about 8 feet, it still shoots about 3" low. I've been shooting 71gr FMJ because that's all the gun store or Wal-Mart had. Has anybody else experienced this?

I would assume that if I shot a lighter bullet/hollowpoint it would probably be better, but it's REALLY low.
 
Low-Down Tomcat

Howdy Epesiarch,

You can file the front sight down a little. If you're careful, you can reshape it back to the shark's fin profile and touch it up with some cold blue.

Hitting a little low at 20 feet isn't really a major issue for a pistol that was
designed to be used at arm's length in a do or die survival situation anyway, but 6-8 inches is a little too far off the scale for most folks.

The alternative is to practice shooting from point-shoulder indexing and look over the top of the front sight as a windage reference. With just a
little practice, you'll find that it's pretty easy to put rounds in an 8-inch
circle, and probably be a little quicker than by carefully aligning the sights.

To keep the top of the sight flat, lay it upside down with the front sight on a file and the rear supported by something that will keep the slide close to
parallel. The file will only cut one way, so arrange it so that you cut as you draw the slide toward you. Reshape the sight's profile with a small, flat
Swiss pattern or needle file by holding the file sideways across the sight and drawing the file toward you in radius-following strokes. Retouch with
cold blue after degreasing with denatured alchohol. The color will be better if you warm it in an oven just a little beforehand. Apply and wipe
until the color suits you, and stop the rusting process by wetting it with
light oil. Let the oil soak in for a few minutes before wiping it off.

If you decide to file the sight, do it at the range so you can take a couple of
light cuts and target the gun. If you take off too much, it'll print high.
Trial and error is the key...Go slow. You can always take more off...you
can't put it back on.

Luck!

Tuner
 
Before you file anything:

Check to see if your pointing it down abit so you can see the rear sight better. Mine was doing the same but then I noticed that I had it tilted down just a smigine.

M
 
Lightweight pistols will always shoot elevation different for each shooter and each hold. The gun actually begins to recoil as the bullet is leaving the barrel and will twist the gun up enough to make a difference in point of impact. If you limp-wrist the gun, you'll probably hit point of aim. Death-grips will shoot low. You shouldn't look at the sights on a gun like that anyhow. Just jab it in the belly and yank the trigger!
 
Point-Shoulder Indexing

Howdy Ken,

Takin' it a little off-topic...

Point-Shoulder Indexing uses the body's natural reaction to stress,
and is similar to Ayoob's "Stressfire" technique, except the the gun
is slightly below eye level at a midpoint between eyes and shoulder,
or a little lower. It varies from person to person as to exactly where it
falls.

Stand squarely facing a small target and with eyes on that target, point your finger at it. Don't aim down the finger...just point. Now, bring the
weak hand into play with a supporting grip, as though you had a pistol in the strong hand.

Whatever the eyes look at, the finger will point at. If you introduce a gun into the action, the gun will also point at, or should with a little practice.
The exact point of elevation will vary according to how the gun fits your hand. This is easy to determine.

Take a natural firing grip on the gun, and lay your finger alongside in the
"Finger Off Trigger" move that you do as a matter of course for the sake of
Rule 2. Not stiffly, but naturally. Now...without thinking about it, point that
finger at a small target and look at the axis of the barrel. Is it parallel with
your finger? Is it angled upward or downward? How much?

Most people find that the flat mainspring housing on the 1911 tend to
angle the muzzle downward to some degree. That was the main reason for going to an arched housing on the A-1s...It countered the tendency
for the soldier to shoot low under stress, and mad the gun point more naturally during the body's autoresponse to stress.

During a deadly, close-range encounter, the natural tendency is to focus
the eyes on the threat. Carefully aiming in such a situation goes against this natural tendency, and as often as not, must be consciously resisted
and the eyes refocused on the sights...specifically the front sight....which
takes time. In these kinds of encounters, time is usually short, since any
action on our part is a reaction to that threat. The closer the threat, the less time we have, and most of the time, the outcome is determined in fractions of seconds. This is where the "Bullseye" mentality can get us killed. We tend to fight as we practice. Whatever we have repeatedly done on the target range is what we will automatically do in a real encounter, right down to laying an empty magazine on the table that isn't behind us like it is at the range. As one member's tagline wisely observes: "You won't rise to the occasion. You will default to your level of training." More simply put...Whatever moves that you make as a matter of habit will become autoresponse when you "Hoist the Baker Flag"


Food for thought...

Tuner

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