Anyone Else Here Have One Of These Spanish S&W Copies In .32-20

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This was left to me years ago and I just finished putting in a modified Wolf S&W Hammer Spring and going over the complete gun. Cylinder Gap is well within specs. and it locks up nice and tight on hammer fall. Cylinder latch is also tight but the Old Gal sure doesn't have much Blue left. I think a Very Black Zinc Park and with a little lightening of the wood grips and I'll be happy to Take Her To The Dance with some hardcasts and a light load of Win 231.

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Don't own one because I've made it a practice to avoid them. While they may look like the real thing they aren't. Stick to those very light handloads, because it is constructed out of what amounts to iron, not high-carbon steel.
 
They do indeed, but the diamond around the screw is oversized.

These revolvers were created for the express purpose of fooling less-then-knowledgeable buyers in Mexico and Central/South America (not to mention the United States) into thinking they were genuine Smith & Wesson products.

Smith & Wesson then got injunctions to prevent they're importation into the United States, and started marking their revolvers, "Made in U.S.A." as well as stamping them with a larger S&W logo in some cases. However this didn't stop the sales in those countries south of us. This occurred during the 1920's and 30's.

The guns themselves are made from what amounts to iron, and the cylinders are not heat treated. If you break a part, finding a replacement will be difficult to say the least. I consider them to be wall hangers at best.

I remember one that was brought to me (they are not uncommon along the U.S./Mexican border) that someone had rebarreled with a genuine S&W barrel - and so marked. The threads on the shank weren't the same but who worries about little things so long as it will go in. :eek: The owner refused to believe it wasn't a Smith & Wesson because it said so on the barrel... :uhoh:
 
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"With the introduction of this new source of energy, arms manufacture attained record levels. In addition to Orbea, Larrañaga and Joaristi, the main manufacturers, other new names appeared, such as Victor Sarasqueta, Arizmendi, Trocaola, Aguirre, Zamacola y Cía, Crucelegui, Anitua, Beristain, etc. By 1906, the arms industry employed 54% of the workforce of Eibar, 50% in Soraluze-Placencia (where the former Euskalduna, now renamed S.A. Placencia de las Armas, gave work to 180 operators), and 11% in Elgoibar (AGIRRE KEREXETA, 1987). Eibar was by now recognised as the main arms manufacturing town on the Iberian peninsula."


It never cease to amaze me when someone ask of the particulars of a obscure weapon and the Very First reply states "I would not have this Guneapon except for a Wall Hanger? Actually Trocaola Arms Was and Still Is a Noteable Spanish Weapons Manufacturer of Firearms and from 1908-1938 had more than a few Gov't Contracts. Granted the Steel used during this period was not the best available in Spain to be had neither was it to be considered "Nothing More Than Iron"!

The condition of this particular weapon lends itself to a much more comprehensive look. Heat Treating to an acceptable degree would not be a very hard task to say in the least. As far as broken parts go one would be overwhelmed with the availabilty of S&W Police Positive and Model 10 Parts to be had if they knew where to look and had a reasonable degree of skills neccessary to fit these parts as needed for this Spainish Clone.

Aside from the decision with respect to the application of a New Finish I see this Old Spainard in Cal 32-20 Win. as a very good canidate for the Fun Gun To Shoot Award. Now those that can make the destinction without really owning the above mentiod firearm will surely disagree. What can and cannot be done to an existing firearm is only limited by the knowledge and skill of the person in possession of that firearm and his or her dedication to repair or the restoration of the weapon.
 
It never cease to amaze me when someone ask of the particulars of a obscure weapon and the Very First reply states "I would not have this Guneapon except for a Wall Hanger? Actually Trocaola Arms Was and Still Is a Noteable Spanish Weapons Manufacturer of Firearms and from 1908-1938 had more than a few Gov't Contracts. Granted the Steel used during this period was not the best available in Spain to be had neither was it to be considered "Nothing More Than Iron"!

The condition of this particular weapon lends itself to a much more comprehensive look. Heat Treating to an acceptable degree would not be a very hard task to say in the least. As far as broken parts go one would be overwhelmed with the availabilty of S&W Police Positive and Model 10 Parts to be had if they knew where to look and had a reasonable degree of skills neccessary to fit these parts as needed for this Spainish Clone.

Aside from the decision with respect to the application of a New Finish I see this Old Spainard in Cal 32-20 Win. as a very good canidate for the Fun Gun To Shoot Award. Now those that can make the destinction without really owning the above mentiod firearm will surely disagree. What can and cannot be done to an existing firearm is only limited by the knowledge and skill of the person in possession of that firearm and his or her dedication to repair or the restoration of the weapon.

Well I must have hit a nerve, and that wasn’t my intention, but the truth of that matter is that during the period in question, many small shops in Spain were turning out questionable copies of Browning pocket pistols (both FN and Colt) as well as revolvers that were specifically intended to look like more famous U.S. makes. They would also apply markings in a way that could and did deceive buyers into thinking they were getting the real thing.

As for parts and heat-treating. Model 10 parts aren’t likely to work because the model 10 didn’t come about until 1957-58, and by that time S&W was using a new short action with different lockwork. The earlier .32 1905 hand ejector has a long action similar to the Spanish revolver in question, but parts did not interchange between them. I suppose you could try to alter S&W and Colt parts, but then you would be faced with the need to re-caseharden those parts that were originally case hardened.

You can’t do much in the way of heat-treating low-carbon steel or iron – which is the reason that parts in even quality guns of the 19th and earlier centuries were casehardened. But this process was never used on cylinders or barrels.

If you still want to go to the trouble and expense of doing (whatever) to it, I have no objection. If you are determine to continue in this direction I suggest that you go to www.e-gunparts.com because I believe they have some parts for these Spanish revolvers, as well as parts for Colt & S&W revolvers made during the same period. Again I would point out that there is no guarantee that these parts will work in the revolver you have, or that they can be altered to do so. Once altered, they cannot be returned to the seller for refund or exchange.

My point was to explain that it probably wouldn’t be worth it, and the money involved might be better spent. I was also offering a warning to others that might own similar revolvers, and didn’t know the background.

All things considered, I stick to my comment that they’re best use would be as a wall-hanger or non-shooting collectable.
 
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