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If so, how was it? I've never even seen one but I know they shoot fast...real fast.
Anyone ever shot a Russian PPSH-41?
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I have, but it was an imported, no high gear rig.
It was pretty fun, and it and its magazines are built like a tank.
Ive seen videos of FA versions...that cyclic rate is crazy! Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp
It was pretty fun, and it and its magazines are built like a tank.
Ive seen videos of FA versions...that cyclic rate is crazy! Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp
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Cyclic is around 900 RPM.
They are known to have been reliable, rugged guns. Pretty obsolete by today's standards though. Guns like the MP5 are much better subguns.
They are known to have been reliable, rugged guns. Pretty obsolete by today's standards though. Guns like the MP5 are much better subguns.
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parts kits and the supplies to build it into a legal semi-auto PPSH-41 are available for those actually wanting to own one of these
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I have shot one. A buddy, Type 7 SOT, has one. It's a hoot. Was a lot of fun at the range.
Very fast shooter, but easy to handle.
Very fast shooter, but easy to handle.
Panzerschwein
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The MP5 is lighter, more accurate, just as deadly, and can use much more modern accessories.
The PPSH-41 might make a better trench broom in -30 weather, but today's modern operator is better served with an MP5.
I built one when I was an 02/07 SOT and a thousand rounds cost less than $50. Fires fast but not as fast as a Mac 10 9mm. Put 10K rounds through that thing at least. Cut it up when I gave my license up.
Had a PPS-43 too. That thing was a piece of crap.
Had a PPS-43 too. That thing was a piece of crap.
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"I dont know if I would say the MP5 is a much better sub gun. If a duece and a half full of PPSH rolls up on a half track full of MP5's I think a little more comes into play than just who's carrying the MP5."
I think it depends on who has the time machine
"I built one when I was an 02/07 SOT and a thousand rounds cost less than $50"
So that's where it all went. Thanks for the pricey ammo (jerk)
I hear tell the PPSH runs quite differently on 9mm (in a conversion) vs 7.62x25. A friend described the latter as impressively uncontrollable given the size/weight of the SMG. Sounded like RPM was over 1000, but closer to 600 with 9mm.
"The MP5 is lighter..."
Pretty bad when you have to go back to 1941 to say that
. The HK is pretty chunky, being the product of its times, but no worse than peers like the Swedish K. This is why my 45acp build uses a polymer UMP lower, doing away with much of the most needless steel (cocking handle tube will eventually be aluminum if I get the chance, also)
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I think it depends on who has the time machine
"I built one when I was an 02/07 SOT and a thousand rounds cost less than $50"
So that's where it all went. Thanks for the pricey ammo (jerk)
I hear tell the PPSH runs quite differently on 9mm (in a conversion) vs 7.62x25. A friend described the latter as impressively uncontrollable given the size/weight of the SMG. Sounded like RPM was over 1000, but closer to 600 with 9mm.
"The MP5 is lighter..."
Pretty bad when you have to go back to 1941 to say that
. The HK is pretty chunky, being the product of its times, but no worse than peers like the Swedish K. This is why my 45acp build uses a polymer UMP lower, doing away with much of the most needless steel (cocking handle tube will eventually be aluminum if I get the chance, also)TCB
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He's used to Suomis. Those things can be kept on a paper plate at 25yards for a full drum, so maybe his standards are kind of high
The drums are awesome; I have no idea why more modern designs don't use them (and the sticks) or at least copy them in aluminum/polymer. Definitely something the Russians realized the Finns did right with the Suomi. B&T is, to this day, producing new gun designs that can be readily configured to take Suomi sticks/coffin mags.
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The drums are awesome; I have no idea why more modern designs don't use them (and the sticks) or at least copy them in aluminum/polymer. Definitely something the Russians realized the Finns did right with the Suomi. B&T is, to this day, producing new gun designs that can be readily configured to take Suomi sticks/coffin mags.
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i really like the half wood stocked SMGs of WWII, the one id like to most have is the MP41, which is basically an MP40 with an MP18 style wood stock.. i dont believe drums were ever made for the 40, but it doesnt matter, its still awesome
I have. I like the MP40 better. The MP40 is much easier to control, though the PPSH is a bullet hose...
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much easier on the wallet too, but i also like the MP40s enclosed captive recoil spring
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yep, shot it
We found one with a drum and ammo in a cache in afg. Typical clunky rusky design, but durable- this one had almost no finish left on it, filthy, dated 1944. Not very well ballanced, ejected out the top. No, vomited brass out the top. Fired at a bullet hose cyclic rate. It was free and fun. Left it hanging on the wall in the OPSCENTER.
We found one with a drum and ammo in a cache in afg. Typical clunky rusky design, but durable- this one had almost no finish left on it, filthy, dated 1944. Not very well ballanced, ejected out the top. No, vomited brass out the top. Fired at a bullet hose cyclic rate. It was free and fun. Left it hanging on the wall in the OPSCENTER.
LOL From the main page this thread title showed up on my computer as "Anyone ever shot a Russian...?"
I was thinking .. well, now, that's gonna be an interesting thread.
Then I found out it's like most other threads where someone asks about something they are obviously interested in, but a dozen people show up and say "this {other thing} is much better"
alas ... that wasn't the question!
I haven't personally shot a PPSH, but I've shot a lot of other Russian machineguns.
Funny thing about that, too.
I have YET to find one I don't like.
I was thinking .. well, now, that's gonna be an interesting thread.
Then I found out it's like most other threads where someone asks about something they are obviously interested in, but a dozen people show up and say "this {other thing} is much better"
alas ... that wasn't the question!
I haven't personally shot a PPSH, but I've shot a lot of other Russian machineguns.
Funny thing about that, too.
I have YET to find one I don't like.
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"If you look at WWII vids of the red army rolling into Berlin, there were many many PPSH being fielded at the end. It was a highly revered weapon in any condition and hastened the Nazi defeat."
I personally think it was the most iconic weapon of the Soviets' (Mosins just look like every other bolt-gun) during the war, just as the Mauser pistol was of the Revolution. Probably the most iconic SMG of the European theatre (before COD2, 'SMG' was seen as a Tommygun looking thing with a drum, but those didn't really see WWII service in that configuration, so...) maybe tied with the STEN or M3A1 (though I personally associate GG's and Thompson's with the Pacific for some reason).
And of course;
I personally think it was the most iconic weapon of the Soviets' (Mosins just look like every other bolt-gun) during the war, just as the Mauser pistol was of the Revolution. Probably the most iconic SMG of the European theatre (before COD2, 'SMG' was seen as a Tommygun looking thing with a drum, but those didn't really see WWII service in that configuration, so...) maybe tied with the STEN or M3A1 (though I personally associate GG's and Thompson's with the Pacific for some reason).
And of course;
Its one of the things we don't like to admit about the Russians. THEY won World War 2 in Europe with some help from us and they did it largely with the PPSh41. Sure we had a few skirmishes on the Western Front but the vast majority of the hard fighting was in the east.
Last I saw my wife's grandmother, who is from St Petersburg , she still had a PPSh 41 sitting in her basement. It was rusted and she didnt have any ammo for it but it was there and it worked. She died a couple of years ago and I assume one of my inlaws has it sitting in their closet now.
Last I saw my wife's grandmother, who is from St Petersburg , she still had a PPSh 41 sitting in her basement. It was rusted and she didnt have any ammo for it but it was there and it worked. She died a couple of years ago and I assume one of my inlaws has it sitting in their closet now.
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so youd prefer the soviets took over the rest of europe and destroyed western europes culture the same as they did the east? maybe the 20 million murdered in ukraine wasnt enough?
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PPSH-41 is one I have only handled and not shot.
The Soviets actually made more of thee PPS-43, but hose got deployed more like SMGs in the west. The were issued to folks not likely to need a long gun like tank drivers. Sort of like in US civil war days when an artillery crew had oe or two carbines for six men, tank crews had one or two PPs-43 available for five men. They added up to quite a few. Same same truck drivers, mortor crewmen, and what have you.
PPSH-41 was the main issue personal weapon of the "Tank Riders" organized in the Soviet Offensives. Entire squads would be armed with the darned things and went to battle hanging on to tanks. There was the unlucky fellow in every crew that carried a rifle just incase something way out there became a threat after they dismounted and a few had to carry a DP (don't get too excited Trent!) but nearly everyone had a PPSH-41.
Appearently they were common enough on the front that they showed up in the 1970s in west Germany when I was there among German farmers and such and enough city dwellers that the police were quite familure with them and this was down in the Ulm area and as far west as Sigmaringen where no WWII Soviet ever trod.
I wonder how well they worked as carbines on semi auto myself. The main issue of them were sighted to 200 meters and there was a selector. The bolt is relatively light for a non locked SMG and a smaller percentage of total weight than in most open bolt guns and so upset from firing from an open bolt might not be as bad as say a M3 or Sten. More like semi auto from a pre war Thompson which actually did rather well on semi in my experience.
In the Museum of the Armies in Paris in the WWII section is a presentation grade PPSH-41 given to the museum by the Soviets. It has a very nicely finished stock with a little brass presentation plate on the right side and the thing has a melted look with no sharp edges to be found and has one of the best blued finishes I have seen as would put an early Colt python to shame. Blue so well done and dark you might be afraid of falling in it and drowning.
I rather doubt any left the WWII factories that way, but I think it speaks to the pride and reverence given to the PPSH-41 in the immediate Cold war era by the Soviets.
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The Soviets actually made more of thee PPS-43, but hose got deployed more like SMGs in the west. The were issued to folks not likely to need a long gun like tank drivers. Sort of like in US civil war days when an artillery crew had oe or two carbines for six men, tank crews had one or two PPs-43 available for five men. They added up to quite a few. Same same truck drivers, mortor crewmen, and what have you.
PPSH-41 was the main issue personal weapon of the "Tank Riders" organized in the Soviet Offensives. Entire squads would be armed with the darned things and went to battle hanging on to tanks. There was the unlucky fellow in every crew that carried a rifle just incase something way out there became a threat after they dismounted and a few had to carry a DP (don't get too excited Trent!) but nearly everyone had a PPSH-41.
Appearently they were common enough on the front that they showed up in the 1970s in west Germany when I was there among German farmers and such and enough city dwellers that the police were quite familure with them and this was down in the Ulm area and as far west as Sigmaringen where no WWII Soviet ever trod.
I wonder how well they worked as carbines on semi auto myself. The main issue of them were sighted to 200 meters and there was a selector. The bolt is relatively light for a non locked SMG and a smaller percentage of total weight than in most open bolt guns and so upset from firing from an open bolt might not be as bad as say a M3 or Sten. More like semi auto from a pre war Thompson which actually did rather well on semi in my experience.
In the Museum of the Armies in Paris in the WWII section is a presentation grade PPSH-41 given to the museum by the Soviets. It has a very nicely finished stock with a little brass presentation plate on the right side and the thing has a melted look with no sharp edges to be found and has one of the best blued finishes I have seen as would put an early Colt python to shame. Blue so well done and dark you might be afraid of falling in it and drowning.
I rather doubt any left the WWII factories that way, but I think it speaks to the pride and reverence given to the PPSH-41 in the immediate Cold war era by the Soviets.
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My guess is the mods will soon move this to NFA weapons.
Justin, let it go. let us talk of the gun and not politics.
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Justin, let it go. let us talk of the gun and not politics.
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