larryh1108
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Your apology is accepted.
Anyone go for a Physical lately, and get asked to take "the survey". Gun Control
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Your apology is accepted.
It wasn't offerred. I think this is just another one of those things that you read and then decided it meant something different than what it says.
Instead of this kind of post, would you care to reply to the fact that our lack of participation in the study will only produce more damaging conclusions?
Edit: Nevermind. I can imagine what you'd reply.
And I live in Seattle. People smoke on the streets, and tobacco is available everywhere.
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I haven't had time to get back to this one. In fact I've spent the better part of the last 2 weeks trying to locate the remains of a man who was last seen on Oct. 29. His truck was found 2 weeks ago 50 miles from home on National Forest property with a suicide note. People do this all the time and I'm part of a SAR team that gets to play hide and seek with dead people who don't want to be found. Usually 8-10 times a year. I gave up 2 prime deer hunting weekends to try to help a family have a funeral. I've been home an hour.
I've seen too much of this crap to wear the tin foil hats. I've picked up the body parts and placed them in body bags. I've smelled the week old corpses and held the weeping family members. I've watched moms turn their backs and refuse to accept the truth when we found their son and I've felt the pain when we worked our butts off for days at a time and not found a trace. And I've seen the elation of families when we recovered remains after 2 years. I've attended the funeral of a 27 year old 4th generation Marine who couldn't get over 4 tours in the Middle East. His dad was a very close friend and retired Marine Major.
I've taken the same survey as has 6 of our family members and discussed them with our doctor, who is a hunter and shooter. Most people contemplating suicide telegraph their intentions. Most family and friends only see the signs in hindsight. Many people if asked directly will often give surprising answers that allow the doctor to begin a conservation. If you choose not to answer such questions, or even write a huge FU on them, your doctor doesn't care. Either way he'll know you aren't a potential suicide victim.
I've seen too much of this crap to wear the tin foil hats. I've picked up the body parts and placed them in body bags. I've smelled the week old corpses and held the weeping family members. I've watched moms turn their backs and refuse to accept the truth when we found their son and I've felt the pain when we worked our butts off for days at a time and not found a trace. And I've seen the elation of families when we recovered remains after 2 years. I've attended the funeral of a 27 year old 4th generation Marine who couldn't get over 4 tours in the Middle East. His dad was a very close friend and retired Marine Major.
I've taken the same survey as has 6 of our family members and discussed them with our doctor, who is a hunter and shooter. Most people contemplating suicide telegraph their intentions. Most family and friends only see the signs in hindsight. Many people if asked directly will often give surprising answers that allow the doctor to begin a conservation. If you choose not to answer such questions, or even write a huge FU on them, your doctor doesn't care. Either way he'll know you aren't a potential suicide victim.
larryh1108
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Ah, wrong yet again. That's ok, we're used to it. I guess you'll try to spin that I misunderstood this statement above. It's what you do.
RCW 70.160.011
Findings—Intent—2006 c 2 (Initiative Measure No. 901).
The people of the state of Washington recognize that exposure to secondhand smoke is known to cause cancer in humans. Secondhand smoke is a known cause of other diseases including pneumonia, asthma, bronchitis, and heart disease. Citizens are often exposed to secondhand smoke in the workplace, and are likely to develop chronic, potentially fatal diseases as a result of such exposure. In order to protect the health and welfare of all citizens, including workers in their places of employment, it is necessary to prohibit smoking in public places and workplaces.
[2006 c 2 § 1 (Initiative Measure No. 901, approved November 8, 2005).]
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RCW 70.160.075
Smoking prohibited within twenty-five feet of public places or places of employment — Application to modify presumptively reasonable minimum distance.
Smoking is prohibited within a presumptively reasonable minimum distance of twenty-five feet from entrances, exits, windows that open, and ventilation intakes that serve an enclosed area where smoking is prohibited so as to ensure that tobacco smoke does not enter the area through entrances, exits, open windows, or other means. Owners, operators, managers, employers, or other persons who own or control a public place or place of employment may seek to rebut the presumption that twenty-five feet is a reasonable minimum distance by making application to the director of the local health department or district in which the public place or place of employment is located. The presumption will be rebutted if the applicant can show by clear and convincing evidence that, given the unique circumstances presented by the location of entrances, exits, windows that open, ventilation intakes, or other factors, smoke will not infiltrate or reach the entrances, exits, open windows, or ventilation intakes or enter into such public place or place of employment and, therefore, the public health and safety will be adequately protected by a lesser distance.
Yup, they stand 25 from the door - often in an area set aside or just on any sidewalk, and smoke their completely legal tobacco that all medical groups and activists have been unable to ban.
Are you implying that the AMA is going to make you keep your guns on the sidewalk, too?
Are you implying that the AMA is going to make you keep your guns on the sidewalk, too?
375supermag
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My primary care physician never has questioned me about firearms or suicidal thoughts
Neither have any of my specialists.
Everytime I go in the hospital for chemotherapy treatments they ask if I feel safe at home or have suicidal thoughts. I always tell them that I am trying too hard to survive cancer to worry about committing suicide.
I also then tell them I am not afraid of cancer so why would I feel afraid in my own home.
Pretty much ends the stupid question part of the discussion.
My primary care physician never has questioned me about firearms or suicidal thoughts
Neither have any of my specialists.
Everytime I go in the hospital for chemotherapy treatments they ask if I feel safe at home or have suicidal thoughts. I always tell them that I am trying too hard to survive cancer to worry about committing suicide.
I also then tell them I am not afraid of cancer so why would I feel afraid in my own home.
Pretty much ends the stupid question part of the discussion.
Deanimator
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The AMA wants you to not HAVE guns, on the sidewalk, in your home or anywhere else.
splattergun
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Man, I can't believe I read the whole thing. 
This has degenerated into the most ludicrous thread I've seen on THR.
I'd like to see this as a sticky on how NOT to carry a conversation.
This has degenerated into the most ludicrous thread I've seen on THR.
I'd like to see this as a sticky on how NOT to carry a conversation.
alexander45
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Yeah how is your day would be a much better signifier of your risk of suicide than what products you own.
On a side note rx-79g how does a guy using such a cool ground type for a name turn every thread he goes into such a massive mess
On a side note rx-79g how does a guy using such a cool ground type for a name turn every thread he goes into such a massive mess
I guess I'm not wearing enough tinfoil, and opposing those who turn every vaguely political discussion into a platform for the same tired paranoid diatribes.
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I guess everybody else hasn't convinced themselves that Lois Lerner, John Koskinen and Eric Holder are just figments of our imaginations and that there really aren't people involved in an organized effort to deprive people of their constitutional rights.
Do you think that if Brian Terry had been wearing more tinfoil, he'd still be alive?
I just stumbled upon this article, written from the NRA position, but with a little more history on this issue. https://www.americas1stfreedom.org/...r-your-health-2016-11-28&utm_campaign=Article
chicharrones
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How timely. This article was published one day before this thread was started.
Thanks for the find.
Deanimator
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Nah, that's just "propaganda" and "conspiracy theories" from the NRA. They're "biased"... unlike the AMA... and the VPC.
At least that's what "the narrative" teaches.
It will no doubt be interesting when certain "gun owners" tell us how much more trustworthy the AMA and VPC are than the NRA...
You're implying that someone in this conversation said that the AMA is unbiased.
Quote that, or stop with the straw man baloney.
Deanimator
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You're implying that the AMA isn't part of a movement to eliminate private ownership of firearms as we know it.
Prove that or stop with the straw man baloney.
Prove what? That I'm not implying what you think I'm implying?
Okay:I am not implying that the AMA isn't part of a movement to eliminate private ownership of firearms as we know it.
Deanimator
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Nice to see you're retracting all of that "conspiracy theory" and "tinfoil" nonsense.Prove what? That I'm not implying what you think I'm implying?
I am not implying that the AMA isn't part of a movement to eliminate private ownership of firearms as we know it.
I'm not. Stop putting words in my mouth and everyone else's mouth. You aren't qualified.
You are a person with some incredibly odd beliefs that few to none on this board share. You are in no position to be speaking about what goes on in anyone else's head, as you have so little in common with any of us. We already dedicated a whole thread to your bizarre beliefs, and no one agreed with them.
You do not have the education, experience or intellect to play psychologist, and I wish you would stop insulting people by doing so.
buck460XVR
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While it is not necessary to always agree with other folk's opinions, one should respect them. Kinda a "do unto others" kinda thing.
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Gee, I wonder who said this...
You spend so much time arguing with yourself, I can barely get a word in edgewise...
Deanimator
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So then I should respect the opinions of the Tsarnaev brothers and Dylann Roof?
I respect people's right to HAVE opinions.
I have NO duty AT ALL to respect the opinions themselves.
And in the case of islamists, racists, and gun control cultists (to name three) I have nothing but the utmost contempt for them.
Or does everyone's opinion EXCEPT MINE need to be "respected"?
larryh1108
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Yeah, I wondered how good ole RX would handle the article. Seems it debunked his entire stand yet he is now denying what he "meant".
Yeah, I figured as much from him.
Yeah, I figured as much from him.
buck460XVR
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I meant relative to fellow gun owners on the forum, i.e. especially those posting in this thread. Thought it was fairly obvious, sorry.
......respect goes both ways, it can't be demanded when it isn't given. IMHO, this horse is dead. We should quit beating it.
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