Anyone have experience with a High Standard Model 10 Bullpup Shotgun?

[Cannonball888]

These were way ahead of their time and are collector's items now. I understand that police departments used them in the 70's but they were phased out because of their unreliability. Seems they would be a great car gun if only they were reliable.

 

[ReloaderFred]

I passed on one in the early 1970's for $50.00, because I thought it was ugly. Now I wish I'd bought it, and any others I could have laid my hands on. Young and dumb, as the saying goes.

Fred

 

[Owen Sparks]

Mossberg made a pump bullpup in the 1980's in a similar configuration. It stunk on ice.

 

[Cannonball888]

^ Yup, I don't even understand the reasoning behind a pump-action bullpup---you can't operate it with one hand like a semi-auto.

 

[Fred Fuller]

I have- with the older High Standard 10A, which I bought from a retired LEO in Alabama in the early 1980s. I loved it. It never hiccuped. Everyone who ever shot (and LOTS of different people shot it- everyone who saw it wanted to shoot it) it loved it. It ran fine for all of them also.

I fed it only magnum loads as per the instructions... .

But, a friend in the jewelry business I was working security for on occasion in the early 90's begged for it so long and so hard that I finally sold it to him. I spent a long time missing that gun and kicking myself for selling it. Until I bought another 10A a few weeks ago.

Now that one is off at the Wizard's. We're working on ways to bury a SureFire in the light housing- the light on this one doesn't work, a not uncommon failing among the older model. There already is a pressure switch installed on the right side of the clamshell in the appropriate place, so the gun had been altered before I bought it. I see no reason not to go for an upgrade in the light department.

And we're working on installing a full length magazine tube on this one as well.

There was another 10A for sale on Gunbroker a week or so ago...

Any specific questions?

lpl

 

[Cannonball888]

Any specific questions?

Yes. You mentioned an extended magazine tube. I hadn't thought of that. Do any of the available extention kits fit?

Also have you ever shot the Saiga 12 transformed with a bullpup kit. I was wondering how they compare.

 

[4thPointOfContact]

High Standard 10B bullpup

Here's mine - - -



I know what it looks like, but that's NOT rust, it's just a trick of the lighting.
Anything special you would like to know?

 

[Cannonball888]

How's the reliability? Any hiccups?

 

[4thPointOfContact]

Reliability has been 100% so far. HS recommended high-base/Magnum rounds but mine has cycled with regular and even Federal LE132-00 reduced recoil buck and the Fiocchi plated rr buck.

You can't get an extended magazine tube from anywhere, so if you want one you must have it made.

1) Get an extra magazine tube from EGunparts or elsewhere.

2) Have a competent gunsmith put it together with the old tube so that is is a minimum of 18 and preferably 18.5 long. Best bet is to measure how long 4(?) shotshells are and compare that with the length of the standard tube, then measure 7 of your preferred shells and leave enough room for spring compression. I mention this because I've found Federal LE132-00 to be just a bit >.< longer than the standard 2.75 inch shell and it adds up after a half dozen are inserted.

3) Use a lathe and have a custom-turned cap made to hold the two halves of the receiver together. It's not a complicated part, all it Really needs is a 45-degree bevel on the inside.

4) Fit, measure, and scribe a line on the tube with the new cap holding the halves together and the magazine tube backed out a full turn or so (to provide clamping force when it's all together)

5) Fasten the new cap to the custom made extended tube and you're pretty much done.

... 6) be sure that the new, extended tube has holes laterally through it like the original tube did. You can use a screwdriver or cleaning rod to provide a turning force on the tube to screw it tight or loosen it.

You can also have the stock rear sight tower removed and a Picatinney rail put in place, the height of my red-dot is almost exactly where the original sight was. (I found out that a clamp on M4 sight is just a bit too high for the stock front sight but it could be replaced with a taller one that could even be fixed in place if desired.

I would personally just remove the front sight and have a custom made door standoff or compensator silver soldered in place as the front sight needs to be removed every time you are going to remove the upper receiver cover for cleaning. (I rarely remove mine now days.)

 

[Liberty1776]

I really liked mine. Very reliable. It's one of the guns I regret selling the most...:banghead: Nope, don't ask me why I sold it. I dunno. Moment of weakness on my brain...

 

[nclubbar1]

Hi there- I have a nice HS 10b and I have been looking high and low for a full length mag tube. Unfortunately, a good gunsmith is something we lack in my area. If you could direct me to someone who has already done this it would be GREATLY appreciated. I am currently having a machinist friend make a weaver rail that threads on to the factory light mount so I can mount a surfire. Assuming I can obtain an extended mag tube, I'll add a vertical for-grip with a momentary switch. Thanks so much! Ted Long.

 

[dfariswheel]

At one time, there was a company that manufactured an extension specifically for the HS Model 10 guns, but they're long out of business.

These days, I think you'll have to have a custom model made for you.
There's a couple of people who are making custom extensions, but I can't find them right now.

Ask on the forums especially here:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=6&f=1

 

[nclubbar1]

Thanks! I'll give it a try.

 

[Davandron]

I've been looking at bullpup shotguns for a little bit, and keep wondering if a new High Standard 10 kit was available would their be interest.

My thought is to take the Tri Star / Baikal / Sabre semi auto shotgun, and develop the three-piece housing to convert it to a high standard "clone". These shotguns are almost identical to the original Flite (and they are affordable).

Any thoughts?

 

[dacavasi]

I've had mine since 1979. I've fired several hundred rounds through it and never one problem. Interestingly enough, only about half of those were ever the 'recommended' high-base brass, and still, never any issues. Mine still has a functional, original, mounted Kel-Lite flashlight.

 

[4thPointOfContact]

Can anyone think of a semi-auto shotgun that doesn't have a recoil spring extending off the back of the receiver (such as Mossberg 930 has, for example) and that loads and ejects from the bottom? Something that ejected from the bottom would eliminate the left-handed problem and allow firing from either shoulder.



That would probably make a near perfect candidate for bullupping.
(Of course, if the BATFE would reverse its 'no electronic trigger' ruling then the trigger pull problem would be solved as well.)

 

[Youngster]

Can anyone think of a semi-auto shotgun that doesn't have a recoil spring extending off the back of the receiver (such as Mossberg 930 has, for example) and that loads and ejects from the bottom? Something that ejected from the bottom would eliminate the left-handed problem and allow firing from either shoulder.



That would probably make a near perfect candidate for bullupping.
(Of course, if the BATFE would reverse its 'no electronic trigger' ruling then the trigger pull problem would be solved as well.)

The Fabarm SAT-8, although its a side ejector.

 

[nclubbar1]

I'm so glad this thread got going again. Its funny, I had heard so much talk about the 10b having malfunction problems that on one trip to the woods to plink with some friends I brought the 10b and a hundred rounds of 00 Buck... The only malfunction I experienced was the ability to use my right arm the next day! Anyway, I wanted to address the question about a bottom ejecting auto for a bullpup configuration. How about the Remington 105 CTi? The only part that bites is the price...$1200...I would be light and work really well though.

 

[nclubbar1]

Oh, by the way... 4thPointOfContact.... Any chance you or someone you know would be willing to make an extension to sell? I found a guy but he just doesn't have the time to put into it and I'm sure it will be months...

 

[Davandron]

4thpoint: The only bottom ejecting semi I know of is the Remington 105, but I don't know where its action spring is located. Ithaca and Browning have bottom ejecting pumps.

As far as conventional, side eject semi, like I mentioned all those cheap imports have their action spring up front and nothing in the stock.

 

[cornman]

Why are they called "Bullpups"? Wouldn't a Bullcalf make more sense?

 

[Murphys Law]

They weren't unreliable if you were/are firing on the right shoulder, but were very unreliable for lefties as the ejecting shells would be stopped from clearing the ejection port by the left handed shooters chest or clothing. The ejecting shells would stove pipe. Most agencies that tried them, rejected them only for the reason that they weren't compatible with ALL of their people.

 

[nclubbar1]

Great point. I can see how that could be misconstrued as unreliable rather than uncompatable and simply something that would cause police agancies to pass over the design.

 

[AmEngRifles]

I am a little surprised, no one has mentioned how damn heavy these shotguns are. I have never fired one, but recall hefting one years ago and that thought still hangs tight, that SOB is HEAVY!

I guess this is an advantage once firing, since it would help tame the recoil?

 

[nclubbar1]

Well, I keep asking, but does anyone else out there have the ability to make a mag extention? I would love to buy one, I just don't have anyone here in my city that can do the work... PLEASE HELP!!!