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Anyone have trouble cleaning a CZ 75?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by jeech, Nov 27, 2011.

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  1. jeech

    jeech Member

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    I have a CZ 75 that is a pain in the butt to clean. My best friend has a Beretta 92 and when ever we shoot together, we always shoot roughly the same amount of ammo (give or take a few mags; most of the shooting is friendly competition), and always the same type of ammo (federal champion 115 gr). But when we clean afterward, he always gets his bore clean far faster than I do. In fact, I don't think I've ever been able to get my bore as clean as his. We both use the same cleaning solutions, but he starts to get very clean patches quite quickly, while mine still come out dark gray or black.

    Anyone know why this might be? Any suggestions to clean more effectively?
     
  2. briansmithwins

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    A smoother, finer finish will be easier to clean. Double that if the bore is hardchromed.

    BSW
     
  3. armoredman

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    Interesting, I have cleaned both types of pistols and hadn't noticed that. Is it an older 75, or a newer 75B? I used Weapon Shield on my CZs and Hoppes #9 if it's really dirty, no troubles.
     
  4. wvshooter

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    Never owned a Beretta but my CZ75BD cleans as fast as any of my other handguns. A high quality product might help with protecting the gun. I use Weapons Shield but Gunzilla is also good.

    I use Hoppes 9 to clean the bore and apply Weapons shield as a lubricant protectant.
     
  5. jeech

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    It's a new 75BD, and I mainly use CLP and bore paste. I can get the patches fairly clean with CLP, but when I start running bore paste through the barrel, they never come out clean, and his will come clean after 15-20 patches.
     
  6. briansmithwins

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    I don't think bore paste is intended for regular cleaning.

    At least not the pastes I'm familiar with.

    BSW
     
  7. jeech

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    It's Break Free Bore Paste. And, while it may not be intended for regular cleaning, I still can't comprehend why he would have fairly clean patches after 15-20 and mine still come out black after a good 50.
     
  8. GregGry

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    15 to 20 patches? That's borderline OCD :0 50 patches? Now that's crazy

    I normally run a bore snake through my cz75 sp01 3 times and I am good to go.

    With that said:
    Patches are not a replacement for brushes and for letting a barrel cleaner sit in the barrel for a while. If you just dump some cleaner In the barrel and patch the hell out of it then it will take a while to come clean.

    One thing that could be going on (I have never used that product) is you could actually be polishing the bore (and removing material) thus the patches are black. Different materials used for the barrels could affect how easily material is removed.
     
  9. chris in va

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    Simply no reason to clean it that much, and I've had my BD for about 8 years. Heck, I shoot lead through it and just scrub the bore with a brush after each session, which could exceed 300 rounds.

    On a side note, I recommend something like PowderBlast to get all the crud out of the intricate workings. Just take off the grips first, trust me on this.
     
  10. bikerdoc

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    Puzzling problem which I have not encountered. I have a 75 B and a Compact. I just clean with gunscrubber, relube and oil. going on 5 yrs now.
     
  11. Mr.Blue

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    I agree with GregGry. 3 passes through with a bore snake and all my CZ's are golden.
     
  12. KAS1981

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    Chrome bore might have something to do with it?
     
  13. Sam1911

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    Definitely. The real important part of cleaning a handgun is getting the soot and debris out of the action and lockwork to keep the pistol reliable. Then make sure the chamber is clean.

    As for the bore, a few passes with a bore brush and then a patch or two should be all you need. No need to scour the metal trying to get a "clean" patch. There's no value in that.

    If you were shooting cast lead and your load/bullet/bore size weren't optimal, I can imagine you'd need to scrub a bit to get out lead fouling. But with jacketed factory ammo? No way.

    In other words, your biggest problem is comparing patches with your buddy. Face the opposite direction while you clean so it doesn't bother you.
     
  14. robinkevin

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    As other mention the chrome barrel has a lot to do with this. Also I believe you are more than likely polishing the barrel as others mention. There is no reason to use a paste, a paste is a polish and shouldn't be used every time.
     
  15. jeech

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    I use a brush as well. As for cleaning the inner workings, I usually just use a toothbrush soaked in CLP and scrub every thing I can see. Should I be doing something else?
     
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    On some guns, Federal is very dirty. Lots of un-burned power. Others seem to think Federal is OK, on mine Federal not usable. The black cloud that comes with each shot and build up of black gunk on the end of the barrel is just too much of a pain. It is at least 10 times worse than the Russian stuff. My guns are Glocks and Rugers. S&B, WWB, MFS2000, Blazer, USAAmmo, Herters TNJ, RUAG Precision, Lawman ... are all so much better. Note, have not shot enough of the Rem UMC to know about this brand, just never saw it in my price range.
     
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    My new 75B cleans up easily with powder solvent. I haven't had to use a copper solvent yet. I shoot mostly handloads, jacketed and plated.
     
  18. SharpsDressedMan

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    I'm a little old school, so my choices of cleaning solutions is probably outdated, but still work for me. I agree with what most have concluded, that the CZ75 is slower to clean thoroughly, and that a chromed or smoother bore, etc, is faster and easier. Don't know how CZ cuts their rifling, but I use Shooters Choice to clean, dry the bore, then use Remoil on patches to clean again (I always get some gray residue on the patch about 3-4 more times, and then it starts to come out clean. I can run a patch of Remoil through after any gun I clean, and it still gets something out. I don't know why, but I will continue to use it as long as it assists in cleaning my bores. The CZ might be a little more work, but they shoot so nice.
     
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  19. robinkevin

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    Sharps I was brought up old school as well. Its hard to beat remoil, actually all I ever really use is some hoppes 9 and remoil.
     
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    Side question: I have heard that Hoppe's changed the formula for #9. Is it still the original formula, & same distinctive odor, etc?
     
  21. schmeky

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    You're supposed to clean em'???
     
  22. Walt Sherrill

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    I'm beginning to wonder whether some of the "stuff" folks get out after an already-thorough cleaning, as described above, is simply some sort of chemical interaction between the REMOIL and the earlier/prior materials used in the cleaning process? It may not be residue from the shots fired.

    Quick test: once you get your clean patches, run the other stuff down the barrel, as though starting the cleaning process, and repeat the REMOIL steps. I won't be surprised if the patches come out "dirty" again.

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  23. Ben86

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    My CZ75 cleans up just fine with Hoppes Elite cleaner, some patches and a brush. Naturally it doesn't clean as easy as my guns that have polygonal rifling, but it just means a little extra solvent and a few extra passes of the brush.

    Try using the Remington 40X cleaner. It's a harmless, but effective mild abrasive cleaner. I use it on the guns that I let get really dirty, like my .22s. Just remember to follow the directions and get the grit out the barrel when you're done.
     
  24. Ky Larry

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    I have a CZ-75BD in 9mm, a -75B in .40 S&W, a RAMI in .40, a -83 in .380 ACP, and a PCR in 9mm. As Ben stated above they all clean up just fine with Hoppes Elite, patches, and bronze brush.
     
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