So this is a cartridge rifle, but certainly a Black Powder one, so I figure the black powder guys are the place to start. A friend of mine bought it on gunbroker today. I recognized the rolling block action and I know the 12.7x44R round is a .50 caliber round and that Buffalo Arms can apparently get brass, but that's about all we have. Anyone know about them? Thanks.
Anyone know about Swedish rolling blocks?
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Ephraim Kibbey
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Remingtons were sold to several foreign governments including Sweden/Norway, Spain and Mexico.
The wiki article is a good starting place to get some stats:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_Rolling_Block_rifle
The wiki article is a good starting place to get some stats:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_Rolling_Block_rifle
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Some links and some good information here:
http://www.allans-armory.com/aaresult.php?PageId=89
These can be very nice rifles but respect the pressure limitations. Also note that the headspace is determined by the clearance between the base of the hammer and the base of the block, and it can wear to a dangerous level over time. If you see deformation at the base of your fired brass, that's a serious warning sign.
http://www.allans-armory.com/aaresult.php?PageId=89
These can be very nice rifles but respect the pressure limitations. Also note that the headspace is determined by the clearance between the base of the hammer and the base of the block, and it can wear to a dangerous level over time. If you see deformation at the base of your fired brass, that's a serious warning sign.
kBob
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OMG! That is a pretty stock job.
Don't know enough about them to comment otherwise......I thought we had a Swede or other Baltic type around here at one point with considerable experience with them. Maybe that guy with the book?
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Don't know enough about them to comment otherwise......I thought we had a Swede or other Baltic type around here at one point with considerable experience with them. Maybe that guy with the book?
-kBob
looks like the forend is somebody's custom job.
Sweden adopted the Remington-Rider rolling block action in 1867. It was chambered for the 12.7x44R rimfire cartridge. The Swedish government purchased 10,000 complete rifles from Remington and 20,000 actions to enable them to convert the existing stock of m/1860 Wrede muzzleloading rifles. The Swedes also began domestic production of the rifle by Husqvarna and the Carl Gustaf rifle factory, who made complete weapons in various configurations.
All the m/67 rifles and their variations originally had a sight graduated from 800-1400 feet, this was replaced in 1879 with one in metric graduations. Some weapons had new sights but many simply had the old graduations barred out and new ones from 120-300m stamped on the bed. A new leaf marked from 350-900m was added.
Around the mid-1870s shooting clubs started using the commercial German-made 12.7x44R centerfire cartridge, which gave them significantly better performance (they could also reload the expensive cases). However when competing in Service Rifle matches, or for prizes donated by the army or the Crown they had to use the issue rimfire cartridge (no 12.7mm centerfire cartridge was ever adopted by the Swedish Army). Thus, the serious marksman bought a replacement centerfire breechblock and kept both handy.
Sweden adopted the Remington-Rider rolling block action in 1867. It was chambered for the 12.7x44R rimfire cartridge. The Swedish government purchased 10,000 complete rifles from Remington and 20,000 actions to enable them to convert the existing stock of m/1860 Wrede muzzleloading rifles. The Swedes also began domestic production of the rifle by Husqvarna and the Carl Gustaf rifle factory, who made complete weapons in various configurations.
All the m/67 rifles and their variations originally had a sight graduated from 800-1400 feet, this was replaced in 1879 with one in metric graduations. Some weapons had new sights but many simply had the old graduations barred out and new ones from 120-300m stamped on the bed. A new leaf marked from 350-900m was added.
Around the mid-1870s shooting clubs started using the commercial German-made 12.7x44R centerfire cartridge, which gave them significantly better performance (they could also reload the expensive cases). However when competing in Service Rifle matches, or for prizes donated by the army or the Crown they had to use the issue rimfire cartridge (no 12.7mm centerfire cartridge was ever adopted by the Swedish Army). Thus, the serious marksman bought a replacement centerfire breechblock and kept both handy.
Yeah - the forend and even the buttstock have very nice figuring. That's what drew her to it - she likes "pretty" guns. The seller says he has shot it - looks like it will be an undertaking to get ammo together for it, but the process might be fun.
zimmerstutzen
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Just be sure that that 12.7 x 44r is the cartridge. I have a faint recollection that there were two other similar, but longer and/or narrower cartridges that were also used in Sweden.
I have had several Spanish rolling blocks. And there were 4 distinctly different cartridges that were referred to as 43 Spanish. three different bullet diameters that could not be interchanged.
I seem to recall a similar quandary with Swede rolling blocks.
I have had several Spanish rolling blocks. And there were 4 distinctly different cartridges that were referred to as 43 Spanish. three different bullet diameters that could not be interchanged.
I seem to recall a similar quandary with Swede rolling blocks.
Orin
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These are really nice rolling blocks but making the 12.7x44R cartridge is a real time consuming PITA. They can be made from .50-70 brass but like I said, it's a time consuming project.
I decided to re-chamber mine to .50-70 Government and it turned out to be a simple conversion that start to finish only took a couple of hours. The chamber dimensions of the two cartridges are very close (the 12.7x44R is a little smaller) and the rim diameter is the biggest difference.
I know a lot of you will disagree with this conversion but the rifle had been "sporterized" years ago so the collector value was long gone.
I did a write up on how I did the conversion that you can find here:
http://gunlab.net/interesting-project-by-a-friend-of-gun-lab/
You can also find info on the 12.7x44R, 8x58RD, and some on the rolling block here:
http://www.autochart.com
Regards,
Orin
I decided to re-chamber mine to .50-70 Government and it turned out to be a simple conversion that start to finish only took a couple of hours. The chamber dimensions of the two cartridges are very close (the 12.7x44R is a little smaller) and the rim diameter is the biggest difference.
I know a lot of you will disagree with this conversion but the rifle had been "sporterized" years ago so the collector value was long gone.
I did a write up on how I did the conversion that you can find here:
http://gunlab.net/interesting-project-by-a-friend-of-gun-lab/
You can also find info on the 12.7x44R, 8x58RD, and some on the rolling block here:
http://www.autochart.com
Regards,
Orin
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