Anyone shoot .338-378 or .300-378 Weatherby?

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I was just looking at reloading data, to try and figure out what my best choice is for a new hunting rifle.

The numbers of the -378 rounds are INSANE. 200 grain bullets going as fast as really hot varmint rounds?

What does it feel like to shoot one of those?
 
Why not a 300 or 338 RUM?

If I get a Magnum like those, it'll be a Weatherby Magnum in a Mark V, just because I like the rifles, but otherwise, yes, the RUMs, crazy as they are, are a tad more sane than the -378s!

To clarify, I wasn't looking to BUY a -378 rifle; I'm looking at maybe a .300 or .325 WSM. I was just curious about what performance the -378s actually offered, and I was amazed at the numbers.
 
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I had been interested in the .300-378 in the past but funds ran out on other projects at the time. Shoots .30 cal like a laser beam. I'm also a lover of the wby cartridges.
 
Hodgdon lists a load for the .30-378 that will push a 180 grain bullet at 3460 FPS, and for the .338-378 that will push a 200 grain bullet to 3400 FPS.

113 grains and 123 grain of Retumbo, respectively. I just have to laugh. That's TWICE the powder I put in my already hotter-than-factory .30-06 hunting handloads.
 
Some other numbers:

.300-378 Wby Magnum:
150 grains @ 3690 FPS
165 grains @ 3559 FPS

.338-378 Wby Magnum:
185 grains @ 3583 FPS
200 grains @ 3481 FPS
250 grains @ 3072 FPS
 
I had a 30-378 Wby Imp built about 15 years ago when I was into wildcatting and speed. Yes, you can get some great numbers but at the cost of short barrel life, large amounts of powder, muzzle blast and recoil. I am over that stage in my life and it sits in the back of a safe and hasnt seen use in a long while. Nowdays I really enjoy shooting 308 Win's and 40ish grains of powder instead of the 110-120 grains;)

I play around with a few 30 cal magnums, the big Weatherby being the fastest, it's between the 50 bmg and 300 RUM



L-R 50 BMG, 30-378 WBY IMP, 300 RUM, 300 WBY, 300 H&H, 308 Norma Mag, 300 WIN Mag, 300 WSM
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I've got a 375 RUM which is I think a lot more practical than the 30 or 338 RUM or -378. Not that practical is of any real importance, practically speaking I will probably never shoot it at anything but paper. The -378s burn too much powder. You can get almost the same velocities with 20 grains less powder from a RUM. I'm looking forward to see how fast I can push a Hornady 375 cal 235 grain bullet. I'd love to shoot a coyote or a feral dog with it. See if I can explode one like a varmint hunter explodes a prairie dog.:D I hope PETA isn't listening.:cuss: Another thing is I don't like the belt. They are unnecessary, costly and harmful to accuracy and reloadibility.:(

Lemme see if I can identify the cartridges. 50 BMG, 30-378, 300 RUM, 300 Wby, 300 H&H, the Win Mag, the Norma and the WSM. How did I do?
 
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They are unnecessary, costly and harmful to accuracy and reloadibility
I have a 300 wby and 240 wby. My brother has a 340 wby. I reload for all of them and would have to disagree with your statement. I've had groups with reloaded ammo that where just as good as any other non-belted cal that I shoot.
 
Unless you are hunting outside of Texas for some really big game, you dont need anyone of those, the .308, .270 etc. is all you need unless you are a follower.
 
The belt is a legacy of the 300 and 375 H&H cartridges which most magnums are based on. Roy Weatherby used it as a marketing gimmick inventing the term "belted magnum" and Remington and Winchester stupidly went along. All of the modern magnums, the 264, 300, 338 Winchesters, the 7mm and 350 Remington magnums could and should have been sans belt. The belt makes the cartridge more difficult and costly to manufacture, adds at least two draws to the process and the the more complex cartridge inevitably cannot be made as precise as a straight case with the same care applied. As far as the belt making the case stronger, it adds an inside corner which an engineer calls a "stress riser" to both the case and chamber. And steel has to be removed from the barrel to make way for the belt. The cartridge is supposed to headspace on the belt but almost anyone who reloads the cartridges agrees that they should headspace on the shoulder. You will get into problems reloading belted cartridges when the loads are so hot as to expand the belt. I personally don't load that hot but if you do you may find that the cartridges will not chamber after two or three reloadings and have to be discarded or sized with a special collet type sizer. Another problem is that the belt is always eccentric with the case body, sometimes by several thousanths. As far as accuracy, no one who is ultra-serious about it has used belted cases in decades, bench rest shooters, silhouette shooters, none of them use belted cases. And notice all the modern designs are beltless, the short mags, the ultra mags, all of them. And belted cases don't feed from the magazine as well as non-belted cases. I shoot the 300 Win mag and will continue to but I don't think I will ever own another rifle shooting a belted cartridge except the 458 which I have and which needs a belt. I want a 416 and I am holding out for a Rigby versus a Remington for that reason.
 
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I've got nothing but good things to say about the 338-378. I would like to redesign the break so it diverted away from the ground as it stirs up a good deal of dust.
Haven't made a kill past 350 but the 2 of us are capable to 600.
 
I have a 300 rum and recently picked up a 338 lapua. The rum actually has slightly more powder capacity than the lapua case. One thing to keep in mind with the hot 30 cal is that the smaller bore really starts to choke things down and you are into diminishing returns as you increase powder. I believe once you get to about 95 grains of retumbo you are not going to get much more velocity for all the powder you are burning...at some point you need to get a bigger hole to increase efficiency.
 
My little bro shoots the 338-378 for everything, deer, elk, coyote, jack rabbit, he is shameless with that thing. It is an outstanding elk rifle and if you have the skills to make longish shots it carries plenty of energy to induce instant results. We havn't hand loaded it yet but will be starting this year, two reasons. One he wants a tougher bullet than the factory 250 partition something like a barns I think. Two is the fact that he has well over 100 rounds of once fired brass just collecting dust. We also wan't to try some lighter and softer bullets for coyotes, not that the 250g np's don't work he just wants a praire dog type explosion on a bigger scale.

About the recoil. I highly recomend that you DO NOT shoot it with out the brake on. A light weight 12 gauge with heavy 3.5" loads does not hold a candle to that weatherby with no brake. I have fired 2 rounds with out it and I should have quit with the first one. With the brake it is not bad at all just have to put up with lots of blast and dust if you shoot prone.
 
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As far as accuracy, no one who is ultra-serious about it has used belted cases in decades, bench rest shooters, silhouette shooters, none of them use belted cases.

The "accuracy" of above statement would be wholeheartedly challenged by plenty of "ultra-serious" target shooters, including myself who use and win with belted cartridges on a regular basis. Especially in the heavy gun class 1000 yard events. Check with Bruce Baer, whose big rifles and big belted magnum calibers are consistent winners.
 
Let me withdraw the statement and replace it with "Most, that is a large majority, who are ultra-serious about accuracy are using non-belted cartridges including all 100 yard benchrest shooters and virtually all silhouette shooters." You can confirm this for yourself by examining the match results from the following or any or all of many other long range shooting clubs.

http://www.iowa1000ydbenchrest.com/
 
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