Anyone Want In On A Group Powder Buy Near Portland,OR?

[Gaucho Gringo]

Hi

I am looking for people to go in on a shared powder buy from Jack's Powder Keg http://www.jackspowderkeg.com/ in the Portland OR area. I am thinking about a 25# lot of 3F Jack's Black in one pound cans. Price works out to be $11.00 a pound which includes shipping and hazemet fees. PM me if interested. Thank you.

In view of the comments received I will amend this post. Anyone want to go in on 25# of 3f Goex. This works out to be $13.40 a pound. I had posted before in this forum and others in the past asking about Jacks BP but never got any answers. Thanks to those who replied.

 

[Acorn Mush]

I am not in your area, but was just wondering if you knew that Jack's Black is intended to be used as powder for reenactors. If all you want to do is use it for blank loads, it will work just fine. If you want powder for targets and/or hunting, use GOEX. This info came directly from Jack's Powder Keg last year when a family member ordered some powder from him.

 

[ClemBert]

I bought 25lbs of GOEX 3Fg from Jack's last year for a delivered price of $12.60 per can. He's now getting $13.40 per lb but that's still the cheapest GOEX I can find on the internet. Before I made that purchase I inquired about their Jack's branded powder. Here are my questions to Jack's Powder Keg and the responses:

1. Is there any difference between Jack's Black Powder 3F and Goex Black Powder 3Fg?

2. Does Goex ship the Jack's Black Powder to you in the 1lb Jack's cans or do you can it yourself from bulk?

This is the response from Angelo Piazza, the company president:

I WILL ATTEMPT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT –JACKS BATTLE POWDER—BY: ANGELO J. PIAZZA, III for JACKS POWDER KEG

IT IS GOEX 5FA BLACK POWDER MADE IN DOYLINE, LOUISIANA, AND IS PRIVATELY LABELED AS “JACKS BATTLE POWDER”

IT IS A 3FFF EQUIVILANT AND IS USED BY REENACTORS IN BOTH MUSKETS AND CANNONS. IT IS NOT GLAZED WITH GRAFITE AS BLACK POWDER IS TRADITIONALLY COATED WITH THIS BLACK LUBRICANT. THIS UNGLAZED POWDER APPEARS TO MAKE OUR REENACTOR BLANK SHOTS A LITTLE CLEANER. I SELL A LOT OF IT TO INFANTRYMEN AND SMALL BORE CANNONEERS. LARGE BORE CANNONS ARE SOLD GOEX 4FA OR 3FA, DEPENDING UPON THE BORE AND DESIRED EFFECT. PURCHASES IN 25LB BULK LOTS ARE A BIG SAVINGS TO THE ENTHUSIAST/REENACTOR. I OWN 3 DIFFERENT CANNONS AND MANY RIFLES, PISTOLS AND LEVER ACTION 44-40 CALIBRES. JACKS BATTLE POWDER WORKS FOR REENACTORS FOR OBVIOUS REASONS, AND I LIKE IT. THAT’S WHY I SELL IT. NO CHINESE OR FOREIGN POWDERS FOR ME, SINCE I CAN GET A BETTER POWDER FOR LESS MONEY, MADE BY AMERICANS FOR AMERICAN HISTORICAL INTERPRETATION. WHY JEOPARDIZE OUR DOMESTIC PRODUCTION OF BLACK POWDER BY BUYING FOREIGN MADE POWDER???? WE SHOULD SUPPORT THIS AMERICAN MADE PRODUCT, SINCE GOEX IS THE ONLY AND LAST RENMAING MAKER OF BLACK POWDER IN THE UNITED STATES!!!!!

WHEN I FIRST VISITED THE GOEX PLANT I DISCOVERED THE EXISTENCE OF THIS POWDER AND LEARNED THAT IT IS TRADITIONALLY USED FOR BLASTING AND FIREWORKS. IT WORKS FOR ME!!!

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JACKS BATTLE POWDER AND OUR GOEX FG (FINE GRAIN) POWDER???

ANSWER: THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN THE SUBSTANCE BUT IT IS DIFFERENT IN GRANULAR STRUCTURE. THEREFORE, IN ORDER TO HIT A TARGET WITH A BULLET CONSISTENTLY, THE FG {FINE GRAIN} LINE OF GOEX POWDER IS YOUR PREFERENCE. IT IS GRADED AND MORE CONSISTENT DUE TO THE GRAIN STRUCTURE BEING MORE UNIFORM. MY “JACKS BATTLE POWDER” IS MORE A COMBINATION OF FLAKES AND GRAINS OF A GENERAL SIZE BUT IT IS NOT AS UNIFORM AS THE FINE GRAIN LINES OF POWDERS. GOEX EXPRESS IS OUR TOP OF THE LINE POWDER MADE FOR THE EXPERT MARKSMAN. GOEX FINE GRAIN IS TRADITIONALLY USED BY HUNTERS AND FOR TARGET SHOOTING. THESE LINES ARE MORE EXPENSIVE BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE LABOR INTENSIVE. JACKS BATTLE POWDER IS ECONOMICALLY FEESABLE FOR THE HISTORICAL REENACTOR WHO SHOOTS BLANKS. IT IS A HIT WITH ALL WHO HAVE TRIED IT.

JACKS BATTLE POWDER IS MOST APPROPRIATE FOR BLANK FIRING FOR HISTORICAL REENACTMENTS.

HOPE THIS HELPS, ANGELO J. PIAZZA, III, PRESIDENT JACKS POWDER KEG


My interpretation of his response is as follows. Basically, Jack's powder is for re-enactors shooting blanks and Goex is for shooting at targets with projectiles. Both powders are made my Goex and canned by Goex. Uniformity is the difference. Since I'm not a re-enactor shooting blanks it would seem that Jack's black powder isn't what I seek. I know many of you do re-enactments so you might want to consider Jack's BP. As stated above, made in America by Americans at the Goex factory AND the lowest cost black powder in bulk.

BTW, Jack's powder is missing the graphite component. That is it is FFF not FFFg. The "g" meaning graphite. The graphite adds granual structure to the powder and is also a path for static electricity (that's a good thing).

If you are really trying to scale back your costs consider Diamondback Powder (made in Brazil by good Brazillians...according to my Brazillian girlfriend who shoots BP on occassion) for the delivered price of $10.15 per can.