StopTheGrays
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Does anyone have an opinion on the M1 Carbines being made by American Ordnance/Kahr? I want to buy an M-1 and I would like to know if these newer models are any good.
AO/Kahr M1 Carbine
AO/Kahr M1 Carbine
AO/Kahr M1 Carbines---Good or Bad?
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KaceCoyote
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Just wait till after the AWB, we may see paratrooper version with a folding stock.
They are cast receivers with a mix of surplus USGI parts and newly made cast parts. I don't have any information as to their reliability or accuracy, either way. Assuming they work, they'll probably do OK for plinking, but I question their long term durability.
Personally, I'd pass based on durability concerns. Parts replacement can be real iffy with aftermarket carbines. I don't know how many of the Kahr parts will interchange with GI parts, but the more that will, the better, as it makes parts replacement much easier.
For the same money, you can usually find a good "shooter" USGI carbine. The collectible ones are much more expensive, and the really pristine GI arsenal reworks cost more as well, but you can still find used, but not abused, GI guns for $300 to $400 if you hunt for awhile.
Personally, I'd pass based on durability concerns. Parts replacement can be real iffy with aftermarket carbines. I don't know how many of the Kahr parts will interchange with GI parts, but the more that will, the better, as it makes parts replacement much easier.
For the same money, you can usually find a good "shooter" USGI carbine. The collectible ones are much more expensive, and the really pristine GI arsenal reworks cost more as well, but you can still find used, but not abused, GI guns for $300 to $400 if you hunt for awhile.
KaceCoyote
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Or I could buy one with a warranty and a possibly a folding stock after the ban for the same price or maybe at most 50 bucks away. If its unreliable I'll send that thing back and use that warranty to the fullest extent I can.
natedog
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Pferd, that'd violate the AWB, as M1 Carbines (in USGI form) aren't pre-ban assault weapons (only one evil feature). The gun had to be in assault weapon configuration before the AWB cut off. Makes a lot of sence 
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.KaceCoyote
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Gallery of guns gives about a 60% discount on Kahr guns, this is a rough apoximation but if thats true. The Kahr M1 brand new with warranty is yours for about 384 bucks.
The SKS falls the same place all other rifles do, plus the 922r import law restrictions. I've heard that the SKS is exempt from the AWB due to the non-detachable magazine, but some models do except AK mags and if you remove the fixed magazine it can take duckbills. I would hesitate if I wanted to test the law, the ATF could say it's an AW (if in proper congfiguration) because it can be easily converted to a detachable mag. Remember this as well: an SKS can't have any features that would bar it from importation unless it has 10 or less imported parts. Thus pistol grips, folding stocks, etc are illegal on a stock SKS, but not under the AWB. Don't you love stupid laws?
ScottsGT
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Well my original USGI Winchester "had" a folding stock on it, but it broke so I had to order a "replacement" 
StopTheGrays
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With shipping I can get one from Davidson for just under $500.00, that includes their (Davidson's) lifetime guarranty. That is FFL pricing.
M2 Carbine
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I saw a Kahr Carbine at a Fort Worth dealer.
It had a couple used GI parts (which Kahr should have refinished) and overall looked pretty good.
I've got 9 M1/M2 Carbines now and if the Kahr price get's in the four hundred dollar range I'll buy one.
It had a couple used GI parts (which Kahr should have refinished) and overall looked pretty good.
I've got 9 M1/M2 Carbines now and if the Kahr price get's in the four hundred dollar range I'll buy one.
The side folding stocks are legal on non-detachable magazine SKS. They aren't covered by the AWB. I'm not aware of whether or not they are covered by the '89 import ban and the section of 922 which codifies the ban. Assuming that they are covered, then the side folding stocks would be legal for those imported prior to the '90 effective date of the latter statute.
I am. How many pistol gripped rifles have you see imported lately? None. They have either normal stocks or thumbholes. To convert to a pistol grip, you have to be pre-'89 ban, as buzz_knox stated, or have 10 or less imported parts. Neither are easy to complete when it comes to the SKS, but they're out there. Finally, yes there are a crap load of illegal SKSs floating around without the owners knowing such.
Atlas Shrug
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well, not so fast...
Well, IIRC, all original M1A1 versions were Inland. Some may have been swapped around after the war(s) and prior to the '94 ban.
What a completely stupid F*&&@$% law. Even if you don't like guns, you've got to agree that laws this backwards absolutely undermine any remaining respect for "da gummint" and it's supposed authority.
Nuff said
(I'm a huge fan of the M1 carbine and like the M1A1 stock, so this law really, really annoys me.)
Well, IIRC, all original M1A1 versions were Inland. Some may have been swapped around after the war(s) and prior to the '94 ban.
What a completely stupid F*&&@$% law. Even if you don't like guns, you've got to agree that laws this backwards absolutely undermine any remaining respect for "da gummint" and it's supposed authority.
Nuff said
(I'm a huge fan of the M1 carbine and like the M1A1 stock, so this law really, really annoys me.)
Tell that to people on the Democratic Underground forum. They keep saying the same things as Brady, "AWs and blood in the streets!" Just like Democrats, you try to tell them any different and they start either making fun of you or talking about 'all the police' that support it. I really can't understand it.
StopTheGrays
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I am thinking I may also want to wait until the Hezi conversion kits come out (if the 94 ban does not get renewed would I be able to convert an M1 carbine to this platform?) I saw one at the SHOT show and was just amazed at the unique design.
ScottsGT
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What is a Hezi conversion kit ?
M2 Carbine
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I didn't see a price on it.
It looks like it might make a fun M2.
It looks like it might make a fun M2.
ScottsGT
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I'm just too nostalgic to do that to an M1 Carbine! The Carbine has to be one of the best looking small rifles ever built. BUt I can see a "tactical" purpose for the spacegun.
I guess I'm just not "tactical"!
I guess I'm just not "tactical"!
M2 Carbine
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Well Scott you probably aren't going to like my M2 at all.
ScottsGT
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OOoooo....
I like it! Still looks original, but with a few modern touches. Kind of like a "66 Mustang with late model power options!
I like it! Still looks original, but with a few modern touches. Kind of like a "66 Mustang with late model power options!
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