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AOW shotgun

Discussion in 'NFA Firearms and Accessories' started by rockn30809, Mar 13, 2012.

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  1. rockn30809

    rockn30809 Member

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    I keep seeing more and more short barreled shotguns classified as AOW. How are folks doing it? I have few old shotguns I would love to shorten the barrel on for $5.00 a pop.
     
  2. Orkan

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    There is an important distinction between short barreled shotguns and AOW's. Specific shotguns are considered AOW. Building a SBS requires a $200 stamp. Transferring a AOW only requires a $5 stamp. Big difference.
     
  3. CoRoMo

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    Impossible. They most likely started their existence as a defined 'shotgun'. Therefore, they'll never become an AOW.

    Had you purchased a 'virgin receiver' from Mossberg, Remington, etc, you could finish that receiver into an AOW firearm, but it would still cost you $200 in tax stamp because you are manufacturing.

    The $5 tax only applies to the transfer of an AOW. If you were to purchase a suppressor, it's a $200 tax stamp; if you purchase a Serbu Shorty, it's a $5 stamp.
     
  4. Chopdoktor

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    $5 transfer is nice for AOW, but don't forget the 6+ month wait... They have paperwork just like all the other items that are wrongfully over-regulated by NFA bull-excrement. My shop is going to start manufacturing them in April, and I think a lot of people will be facing a massive wait because of the election year and all. It's a shame.
     
  5. rockn30809

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    What im asking is how a mossberg 590 with a shorter than 16" barrel would be classified as a AOW?
     
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    If it comes from the factory without a stock...a pistol grip only, as the Mossberg Cruiser's did, they can be made into AOWs. You don't actually have to have just the receiver. Remington was not selling them that way for a long time, but I think they figured out they were missing market share. With the advent of their MCS system, I think the policy changed as Mark Serbu is now offering his Super Shorty in both brands. As was pointed out, manufacturing an AOW from a PGO shotgun will still run $200; it is only the transfer fee that is $%. I bought a nice 12" 870 and discovered that slinging it on a mount under the barrel of an AR is NOT considered affixing a stock to it. It is still an AOW.
     
  7. SlowFuse

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    I've heard of something about shotguns produced from the factory with only a pistol grip being able to qualify as an aow if cut below the 18" mark. This may be a grey area or just plain myth. Maybe someone else can chime in on that.
     
  8. SlowFuse

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    Ha master sergeant hit it!
     
  9. crawfobj

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    I want to see Master Sergeant's 12ga under his AR!!! :what:
     
  10. Hunter125

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    So then if you put a stock on a Serbu Shorty you would be crossing into SBS territory?
     
  11. rockn30809

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    Thats what I was looking for master sergeant, thanks.
     
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    Absolutely. You're turning it into something "Designed or redesigned to be fired from the shoulder." Gotta send them another $200 and wait for another stamp to do that.
     
  13. MasterSergeantA

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    Sam nailed it. Additionally, once you have "manufactured" the SBS by adding a stock, it will never again be an AOW and will transfer at the higher tax rate ($200 vs. $5). AOWs seem to be popular because (1) the transfer tax is lower making it more attractive to the buyer and (2) some states that do not allow SBS will allow AOWs. But in some states the opposite is true.

    I paid $500 for my 870 AOW and a tax stamp at $5. I bought a used 870 from my friend's LGS for $200; for another $200 I can make it a SBS and use the same pistol grip as the AOW...plus I can always put the stock back on it. But transferring the AOW would probably be quicker if I wanted to part with it because I could get my money out of it more easily with a buyer who 'only' had to pay $5 to the Fed (and wait 6 months or more.) And you don't have to ask ATF permission to carry your AOW into another state (where permitted by state law) as you do with SBRs, SBSs, and automatic weapons.

    I am lucky enough to live in Arizona where the Second Amendment is my concealed carry permit.
     
  14. huntsman

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    where is your shop?
     
  15. Flyincedar

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    Manufacture will actually begin in July timeframe. The shop is in Columbus, OH
     
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    ^ you got a website?
     
  17. Flyincedar

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    Yes, www.gunenvy.com

    There is no manufacturing info on there yet. We also build high end 1/2 MOA guaranteed ARs, that are not on the site either. We are working on a dedicated website for those.

    If you have questions, feel free to send me a PM.
     
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    Anything you put on a form 1 is going to cost $200.
    A shame that they have to wait or a shame you might not build them fast enough and they might buy from other manufacturers? Transfer wait time has been around forever.
     
  19. ISO1600

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    like others have said:

    building AOW = $200
    transfer AOW = $5

    build SBS = $200
    transfer SBS = $200

    AOW can only be built from a virgin receiver or one that left factory as PGO (mossberg cruiser, etc). If you add a shoulder stock without first doing paperwork+stamp for SBS, you are breaking the law.
    SBS is more appealing to me, because i could do the paperwork for my 870, pay the tax ($200), and just throw a short barrel (or cut mine) on when it gets approved. As an SBS, i'd have the option to mount whatever stock or barrel i want on there, at least temporarily.
     
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    The deciding factor for some may be that SBS are illegal in some states where AOWs are not.
     
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    Just a note, I believe that Remington is no longer offering a model that can be an AOW. I'm 99% sure I saw that regarding Serbu Shortys.
     
  22. Carl N. Brown

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    AOWs were made and sold as concealable weapons (AOW "any other weapon" concealable firearm not a conventional revolver or pistol).

    SBSs were made and sold as long guns (less restricted), then converted to concealable firearms (more restricted).

    States take different views on concealable firearms, revolvers, pistols, AOWs and SBSs.

    My home state lets ATF and NFA regulate AOWs and SBSs but the state historically has had more regulation of handgun dealers than of long gun dealers.

    A lot of jurisdictions see shortening a long gun to concealable dimensions as an evasion of their handgun laws.
     
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    • Would this apply to an AOW 870 MCS? For example, what if an AOW 870 MCS were to be configured with a pistol grip and a 14" barrel and later changed (manufactured ???) with the included stock and 18" barrel, i.e. a regular shotgun . . . would this prevent one from reconfiguring it back to the AOW status? Is changing the configuration considered to be "manufacturing"? I read that just having the parts to manufacture something is considered the same as the act itself.

    • Since an AOW is not considered to be a pistol, rifle, or shotgun, would it be legal in CA to openly carry it (unloaded or loaded) similar to openly carrying a huge knife ?

    Thanks all.
     
  24. ISO1600

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    i've never seen the MCS sold as an AOW, always the kit as a SBS.

    Personally, i think buying a MCS as an AOW is downright stupid, as the point of the MCS is the modularity.
     
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    In the past, Remington sold 870MCS as AOWs.
    This is when they were sold in the breacher configuration by themselves and not as part of the kit.

    However, as of last year, Remington no longer sells the 870MCS as a standalone firearm. So, it is no longer being sold as an AOW, only as a SBS.


    Remington 870MCS transfered as an AOW in 08-2010.
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    O.C. Armory in Laguna Hills, CA sells these Remington 870 AOWs.
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