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G.barnes

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It seems like everyday there are new posts on what ar to buy. Almost every question asked has been answered and can be found by using the search function. Another very good site for ar knowledge is m4carbine.net.

As a quick run down all ar's are not the same.There are four different levels of ar's.

1)bottom tier ar's (dpms only one i can think of right off). usually in the 600 to 700 dollar range. don't have chromelined barrels, a lot of times things are not properly staked(gas key, castle nut) made of 4140 steel, and nothing is hp or mpi tested.

2)middle tier ar's(cmmg, bushmaster, rra, etc). These are usually in the 800 to 950 range. these usually will come with a chromelined barrel made of 4140 steel. are usually properly staked. they vary on hp and mpi testing. Usually a nromal person will be just fine with a rifle in this class.

3)top tier ar's (bcm, colt daniel defense, etc). these are usually in the 950 to 1400 dollar range depending on configurations. (ex. ddm4xv 950.00 , ddm4v5 with 12 inch freefloat rail 1300). Come with chromelined barrels made od 4150 steel and are usually hammerforged. everything is properly staked and properly tested. made more for real combat but for another 100 dollars over a mid tier why skimp.

4)proprietary ar's (lmt lwrc, etc). these are usually some sort of a piston setup and are usually reserved more for true miltary and leo due to their high prices ( 1400 to over 2000 dollars)

there is an ar chart on m4carbine .net you can look at also. I hope this will help to answer some questions of many different sorts without having to answer multiple threads. If there are things anyone thinks will be helpful advice please feel free to add it. As far a which rifle is right for you, you must decide what you want it for and how much you can justify spending. as far as should i get a colt or a bcm they are both great pick which ever one you can get your hands on first.
 
I suspect the reason there are so many threads, is that so many people would differ radically with your characterizations, and the cognitive dissonance is very confusing for people unfamiliar with the AR and its history.
 
I'm kinda giggling at RRA (Rock River Arms) being considered "mid tier". Considering they DO have mid level offerings BUT they also have high end offerings as well. To just lump a company into a "tier" because they have lower priced offerings is a bit on the ridiculous side to me.

There are companies out there that actually try to deliver a quality product at a reasonable price. I know it's not often but they are out there!
 
No offense, but if you're looking to reduce confusion for someone new to the AR world, your best bet would be to just go ahead and delete your entire post.
 
I was an ar newbie a short time ago. I ask many questions here on thr, that I'm sure had already been answered. But that didn't matter, I had my own questions and I wanted answers I felt like pertained to my own personal question.
Its hard for a newbie to decide how to spend that much money on an unfamiliar platform. I wanted to make sure I made the best possible decision for me.
All I new was that the likes of lwrc, lmt, etc were out because I didn't want to put that much into one.
I had to decide if I wanted a kit or a gun ready to go out of the box. I decided I didn't want to mess with a kit. Then, do I want DI or piston operated.
Initially I wanted a Colt but none were to be had around here. Then my thought was get an ar made by a company you've had successfull dealings with in the past. So I went through my mental list of being made happy buy a fire arms company.
Glock...hmmm they don't make a rifle. SA, well I don't want an m1a. Ruger, not paying that much for a Ruger anything. HK, nope. Sig? I've heard bad things about thier rifles.
Well yes I decided on sig. So at the lgs I fondled the 556 and the m400 enhanced model. For what I wanted the 556 was to heavy, so I walked out with the m400 enhanced. Very unsure about my choice I was quickly off to the range. 2500 rounds later, it was 900 bux well spent. It wasn't budget breaker and a fine gun to learn on and enjoy. Its all the rifle I need, but I did come down with stage 4 chronic rifle disease. As of now there is no cure so I guess I'll have to get more :)
You have to read and research/fondle various guns. Finally taking a chance on one and you may hit or miss, I got lucky and hit. How ever I've missed on some pistols.
I think its unproductive to try and discourage Newbies to start their own thread because it may have already been answered. I'm eager to try and help any one find their perfect ar.
New Glock threads appear almost daily, and they get answered because who ever is posting the question is a Glock newbie. There is a new gun newbie some where every day with his or her own questions.
There is no say all and end all: glock, 1911, remmy 870 or moss 500 post/thread. There will never not be newbies to the gun world.....and thats a good thing.
 
So a Delton Echo 316 with chromed barrel and carrier group, hpt/mpi tested everything and flawless fit and finish for $750 would fall where exactly???
 
There's a whole lot more to it that simple price points.

TONS more!!! Accuracy, longevity, feed issues, ammo issues (caliber/cartridge, surplus/factory/hand-loaded), magazine issues (fit/function), trigger types, receiver quality, and many many more. Just "price point" as the OP has lined out is about as far from the truth as you can get. As a new AR owner I did some HEAVY research as I wasn't about to drop $2000+ on just any old run of the mill rifle. AR 10 from the original AR 10 producer (ArmaLite). There were of course cheaper options but all in all I am MORE than pleased with the purchase. After buying it, I then had to deal with hand-loading for it (Thanks FlintKnapper) and learn all about cycling issues in "hot" loads and the various ways of adjusting loads as well as adjustable gas blocks and "tuning" rounds that will function flawlessly. LOTS and LOTS of fun stuff and I seem to come home from the range with a big old smile on my face every day!!

As of yesterday, I now have a 7mm.08 AR 10 that will produce one ragged hole in 5 round groups at 100 yards. Now it's time to get the old legs ready for some HOG ELIMINATION! It's what the rifle was bought for! Only problem I have now is, deciding whether I want a 6.8SPC or .458 SOCOM AR 15 for the brush hunting hogs!
 
Tough luck, OP, AR's aren't exactly a field that can be simplified. However, AR threads can be avoided with the magical search bar.
 
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It seems like everyday there are new posts on what ar to buy. Almost every question asked has been answered and can be found by using the search function.

This would have sufficed. One of my biggest aggrevations with the rifle country sub-forum is the endless "which AR should I get" threads. :banghead:
 
One of my biggest aggrevations with the rifle country sub-forum is the endless "which AR should I get" threads.

If it bothers you, just ignore it or don't visit the forum.

Seriously, I welcome the question, because it typically means we have yet another person getting on board, which means another AR is sold, and that's good for RKBA. The more legitimate firearms in the hands of citizens, the more monumental the task of taking them away. Even better if they're the kind that so many have labeled as evil; The more commonplace they are, the less controversy they generate. Kinda like tatoos........think back 30 years versus today.

Besides, the search function really is a pain to use. Honestly, Google turns up more relavent results on THR than our internal search engine does.
 
If you tossed out all redundant topics what would there be 3 new posts a day?



don't want to respond to an often asked question don't...

Why not just say F the chart buy the most expensive thing you can, if that doesn't work buy a new bolt, if that doesn't work buy a Sako.
 
I really don't know a lot about AR's, and the OP didn't do much to change that.

Also good to know that the custom AR my son built me on a DPMS Sweet 16 Stainless Bull Barrel Upper is probably "low tier".
 
Also good to know that the custom AR my son built me on a DPMS Sweet 16 Stainless Bull Barrel Upper is probably "low tier".

DPMS's basic models are definitely lower end, but I've seen some amazing performance out of their nicer heavy barrel models. My sister's 24" heavy fluted stainless .204 is very accurate, and has proved reliable thus far.

Would I buy an DPMS M-4gery? Not unless it was dirt cheap.

Would I buy one of their nicer varmint models? Well, aside from the fact I'd prefer to build it myself, I certianly would.
 
Everything about the Original post annoyed me. I find it very easy to ignore threads that I'm not interested in. I also find it very easy to not feed false information to eager "Newbie" ears. I encourage everyone with questions to step forth and ask away, just as I do, and just as everyone does at SOME point.
 
I'm sorry if I offended anyone that was not my intention. I'm not saying that it's wrong to ask a specific question I'm not saying that some manufacturers don't offer different quality offerings. I was just hoping to maybe have a specific type post where someone with little knowledge can get informed and make it a bit simpler. The manufacturer thing was just what most usually put out to the consumer. I realize that rra and stag have upgraded packages but they then go up into the 1000 price range also. I was also hoping that people would see that a better rifle is not much more money and won't buy the cheapest thing they can get even if you don't buy the best. Again I'm sorry for any offense and if this thread is a big deal then delete it.
 
I more started this just trying to outline some of the key things that need to be done. When I bought my first ar it was a dpms oracle. Nothing wrong with it but I was told how they are all the same. After my purchase I found out about chrome lining and proper bolt and barrel inspection. I could have bought a stag model 2 very lightly used for the same price. If I new there was a difference I would have got the stag. I'm not saying you have to be at a specific price point to be in a certain class that's why I said usually. As far as lower receivers I know they are all made by a couple of companies and then distributed. It's not often that people really have issues out the lowers that's why I didn't make mention. I was more trying to show the differences in material and manufacturing so someone knows what to look for.
 
I still think chrome lining is over rated. The average shooter is not going to burn up a barrel in their lifetime anyway. Cleaning a non chrome barrel is not that hard. If I were shooting thousands of rounds on burst or auto then sure. But I don't. For a target or varmint rig I'd rather not have the chrome lining, or at least I'd buy something that I knew was high quality.
 
Chrome lining or meloniting is two ways to the same end and is cheap to do. A rifle without it is just cutting corners(other than types of rigs where it's not beneficial)
 
+1, please delete this thread. I'm a newbie, but not compared to some now, having done a bunch of research.

I absolutely welcome "DISCUSSION" and "QUESTIONS" in a "FORUM" setting.
 
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