AR questions. Again.

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I know this has probably been brought up a few times but not by me so here goes.
I'm shopping for Christmas 2005 and I want an AR-15. I'm not rich and I don't get to spend as much time at the range as I would like so I don't want a high end rifle. I would like something with an M4 look, 16" bbl, collapsible stock, etc.
Is it more economical to build one than by buying a complete rifle and what other benefits are there to building?
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The only benefit to building

is price and once you buy the tools required to do it right you could probably buy one from somewhere like Model 1 sales etc..

Make sure you get a chrome bore on the barrel, it'll last twice as long and be three times as easy to clean.

I currently have an A2 16" OAL Bushmaster heavy/fluted/AK74 break, chrome lined low mileage upper for sale..
 
I would agree with kaferhaus

For your first AR I would buy a complete rifle to start out. Once you have gained some experience with the platform, then you may want to look at building your own for your next AR (and there will be a next one).

The other option is to buy a seperate lower and upper and combine them to complete a rifle. That is easy, 2 pins hold the lower and upper together.

I would strongly recommend a chrome lined chamber and barrel also. The barrel will last longer and is much easier to clean.

As far as manufacturers are concerned, Colt, Bushmaster, and RRA are typically safe bets. I only have personal experience with Colt and Bushmaster (I only listed RRA based on word-of-mouth).

Since budget is a concern, you may want to keep an eye for a good deal on a post ban AR. I would image lot of dealers are trying to clear out the old post ban stock. You can always change out the stock and muzzle brake later on to turn it into a no-ban rifle (just something to think about).

Good luck
 
Also recommend replacing your rear push pin

If you do decide to get an AR, think about getting a JP AR tension pin to replace your stock rear push pin. The stock rear push pin on my AR got loose enough after awhile that it actually slipped off a couple of times, once at the range too!

With the tension pin you can control the tightness between the upper and lower receivers and should theoretically improve your accuracy (cant attest that it has improved mine not because of the pin but of my skills or lack thereof) ;)

But it is not cheap; i think it cost around $39! However well worth it IMHO.
 
If you are handy with tools it is quite easy to build an AR15, there are instructions available at AR15.com, and you don't need any special tools to do a basic build. In the process of assembling the lower receiver you will become familiar with the workings of the rifle and have a much better understanding of what is going on. You can get a kit from a reputable vendor such as J&T Distributing, the kit includes an upper which is completely assembled and headspaced, and the parts to complete the rest of the rifle, all you need from there is a stripped lower receiver. The lower receiver is the serial numbered part, the controlled part that must be sold or transferred by a licensed dealer. There are 2 small tools that make assembling the lower receiver much easier, they are roll pin punches, they are used to drive the roll pins for the bolt catch and the trigger guard, while not absolutely necessary, they make the job much easier and the total cost is around $11-$12 including shipping from Brownell's.

J&T Dist for a kit:
http://www.jtdistributing.com/

Eagle Firearms for a stripped lower receiver:
http://www.eaglefirearms.net/stag_arms.htm

Lower receiver assembly instructions:
http://www.ar15.com/content/guides/assembly/lower/

To assemble the lower kit the only special tools you need are the roll pin punches from Brownell's, the smaller one for the bolt catch pin and the larger for the trigger guard pin.

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=5551&title=ROLL+PIN+PUNCHES

3/32 is #3 Roll pin punch
item #230-100-003
#3 Roll Pin Punch $3.75

1/8 is #4 Roll pin punch
item #230-100-004
#4 Roll Pin Punch $3.83

Small item shipping $3.70

total delivered $11.28

Notes: A chrome lined barrel is important on a military rifle used in the field where it won't get regular cleaning, unnecessary for an individual that takes care of their rifle, also chrome lined barrels are known to be less accurate.

Model 1 Sales doesn't sell rifles, only kits.
 
Well heck, I've got access to roll pin punches. We have a machine shop right out of my office door. I thought it required special tools like jigs or fixtures.
 
A Rock River Arms 16.5" barreled flat-top carbine would fill the role you want and if you buy a complete upper and a complete lower (either RRA or Bushmaster) seperately, then just put them together (moron-proof..... push in both pins), you can save some cash without actually "building" the gun.

As long the upper/lower are from the same company, you should be fine.

A flattop is good if you ever plan on adding optics or a dotscope. With an A2 (fixed carrying handle upper), you're sorta stuck.
 
You do need some special tools and fixtures...

Upper reciever holding fixture 35-60 bucks depending on if you buy a good one or not

universal barrel wrench 30-35 bucks

Lower reciever fixture is very helpful when you're trying to assemble the lower, install the trigger group etc. 20 bucks and up
 
The holding fixture is all well and good but i would buy an assembled upper if i where you. Its not imposible but hard to align the front sight post correcty. when you buy it assembled its already aligned correctly for you making it less of a hassle for you.
 
ADCO is the place to buy you RRA upper! And you can shop around for a lower. You will save money buying serperately as the FET on a completed gun adds to the cost.
Most factory RRA or BM guns are going to run over 800. You shoul be able to save 150 or more by purchasing the lower and upper seperate. Plus you would save sales tax, too. I suspect with transfer fees you should be able to get a RRA lower delivered to a FFL for way under 300!
RRA uppers and lowers are not sloppy. The JP rear tension pin is not for SD guns. It serves no purpose other then to be a PITA. It might work good for sloppy upper and lower combinations.
 
You do need some special tools and fixtures...

Upper reciever holding fixture 35-60 bucks depending on if you buy a good one or not

universal barrel wrench 30-35 bucks

Lower reciever fixture is very helpful when you're trying to assemble the lower, install the trigger group etc. 20 bucks and up
Funny, I've built several and I have never used any of those tools, so I can address them individually:
Upper receiver block--When you buy a kit from a reputable vendor the upper is completely assembled.
Universal barrel wrench--Ditto: When you buy a kit from a reputable vendor the upper is completely assembled.
Lower receiver block--Absolutely unneccesary
 
If I buy an assembled upper and an assembled lower and it will be less expensive than buying a complete rifle?
There is a $200 tax on a rifle, that tax doesn't apply to uppers or lowers purchased separately, as I understand it you have to buy them at different times, so you can't buy both on the same order or the tax has to be charged.
 
Can anyone give me some suggestions of companies for purchasing complete uppers and lowers. How are the Stag lowers?
 
Stag lowers are identical to RRA lowers. They are very good.

Eagle Firearms has excellent prices.

An reputable named upper will suffice. Many share the same components.

I've even had good results with the generic uppers from Model 1
 
Funny, I've built several and I have never used any of those tools, so I can address them individually:



The original poster was asking about building an AR... not snapping an upper and lower together...

There is a $200 tax on a rifle, that tax doesn't apply to uppers or lowers purchased separately

Not correct, the "excise tax" on a firearm is 11% it's not a fixed dollar amount...The manufacturer pays that tax on the amount they sell the rilfe to the distributor for. It's not even a "retail" based tax. how the heck could Savage, Remington etc. sell rifles for under $400 retail if they were paying a $200 tax on em??
 
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