Ar15 tactical sling advice please?
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Ragnar Danneskjold
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I use a single point sling on duty in the Army and I think they're great. If you're looking for a true tactical sling, single point slings offer the greatest advantage of movement when doing CQB work. What do you mean when you say you walk miles with your AR though? Are you patrolling a perimeter, or something of that sort?
Broken11b
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If youre going to keep it slung on your shoulder, just get a GI sling, cheap and it works
I recommend a nice comfy padded quick adjust two point, Viking Tactics and Blue Force Gear both make examples of these.
A single point sling is fine for active fighting use, but when you're talking about walking for a ways andd such, then the quick adjust two points come into their element.
A single point sling is fine for active fighting use, but when you're talking about walking for a ways andd such, then the quick adjust two points come into their element.
MountainBear
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I don't doubt you Taliv, but why do you say to avoid the single point slings?
I am obviously not Taliv, but single points are not suitable for toting a gun long distance. They are great for being able to smoothly switch shoulders and as the minimal means for retention while you transition to a handgun, however. As such, a single point sling still has it's uses but would be best reserved if you expect to have your gun in your hands most of the time.
The OP is asking for a sling that is comfortable to use to carry a gun long distance. A padded two point quick adjust is great for this and can still have the ability to switch shoulders and retain the gun during transition. In short, it provides the best compromise between comfort and utility, and does not constrict the shooter like a three point can (I personally hate three point slings with a passion).
Some shooters are finding that they like a hybrid sling, one that can be used as a one point or two point as they desire- like Magpul's sling, and some shooters are making homebrew versions as well.
MountainBear
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Good enough. I actually use a three point from Spectre that I like really well, but its on a fixed stock gun, not a collapsible stock...
transatlantic
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I use a coyote brown Spec.-Ops. "Patrol Sling" (#101030111). It can be mounted in several ways, including single-point on most rifles (it´s not a dedicated AR-sling). The quality, workmanship and ergonomics are outstanding. I highly recommend it! IMO the best two-point sling on the market and decently priced too.
http://www.specopsbrand.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductID=73#
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fireside44
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I will vouch for the awesome quality of spec ops stuff. I have the mamba sling on my FAL and while some don't care for the three point, it is incredibly comfortable. The quality of the strap material is leaps and bounds above some of the other more coarse materials out there.
I have it set so that when my left hand brings the barrel end up the stock is simultaneously seated against my shoulder. For long term carry, I haven't found a better sling and I have tried several three point and two point slings. FAL is just too heavy for a single point unless you have a stump for a neck...lol
kwelz
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2 Point slings are fine if all you are doing is walking around with the gun or need to brace it. 4 Point are great if you are just going to stand at the range and throw a few rounds down range.
Single point are the only way to go if you are actually going to do any shooting with an AR.
So since you want to carry the gun and still be able to use it, I suggest a sling like the Magpul MS2. It is a single point that can be converted to a 2 point in about 5 seconds. So you can carry it around and then switch as needed.
Single point are the only way to go if you are actually going to do any shooting with an AR.
So since you want to carry the gun and still be able to use it, I suggest a sling like the Magpul MS2. It is a single point that can be converted to a 2 point in about 5 seconds. So you can carry it around and then switch as needed.
highorder
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Amen to that. Single points pogo around if you don't hold the weapon in some way.
I use the Vtac 2 point.
I respectfully disagree. My 2 point doesn't flop around when my hands are busy, and allows me to snug the weapon up and shoot accurately.
Z-Michigan
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Let me cut to the chase and say I agree 100%+ with this:
I own four of the Spec-Ops patrol slings and I consider them about the best value on the market for any kind of sling. They can also be used as a 1-point, but are really designed for and better suited as a 2-point.
I absolutely disagree. Single point slings do work great for shooting around barriers, shoulder transition and CQB. Start walking and they are pretty bad. Drop the gun to do a handgun transition or do anything with your hands and they're awful, and you'll understand the recommendation to wear a cup. Drop the gun from a kneeling or crouching position and a muzzle strike on the ground is guaranteed.
Basically I see AR sling options as this:
-single point: CQB only, good for that but not versatile. Also may hang up in gear (chest rigs especially).
-two point: most versatile. Not as good for shoulder transitions or for walking 10's of miles, but OK for both, and truly the happy medium and best balance. There's a reason most of the experts and trainers have gone to them.
-three point: considered obsolete by some, these should not be ignored. They are a bit complicated and generally worst for shoulder transitions, but provide very comfortable carry (especially patrol carry) and outstanding control of the gun. They can hang up in gear and can interfere with the safety lever or other left-side controls, however. A good choice for someone who is walking extensively and using the gun little, or will always have at least a few seconds to go from carry to firing.
As for brands, I think Spec-Ops is outstanding regardless of price and is even better when their reasonable prices are factored in. For two-point designs, the Blue Force (Vickers Tactical) and unrelated V-TAC slings are generally seen as top options, with Specter usually mentioned right behind. I don't know why Spec-Ops isn't mentioned as the very top option because based on all the brands I've used they have the best materials and construction, with the design of the Patrol Sling being only slightly behind the Blue Force and V-TAC (which do have a slightly better design for adjusting length). Many spec-ops slings offer multiple usage options, with the "T.H.E. Mamba" being able to be used as a single-, two-, or three-point design just with the included pieces. Likewise, the patrol sling works as a single- or two-point sling in stock form.
I own four of the Spec-Ops patrol slings and I consider them about the best value on the market for any kind of sling. They can also be used as a 1-point, but are really designed for and better suited as a 2-point.
I absolutely disagree. Single point slings do work great for shooting around barriers, shoulder transition and CQB. Start walking and they are pretty bad. Drop the gun to do a handgun transition or do anything with your hands and they're awful, and you'll understand the recommendation to wear a cup. Drop the gun from a kneeling or crouching position and a muzzle strike on the ground is guaranteed.
Basically I see AR sling options as this:
-single point: CQB only, good for that but not versatile. Also may hang up in gear (chest rigs especially).
-two point: most versatile. Not as good for shoulder transitions or for walking 10's of miles, but OK for both, and truly the happy medium and best balance. There's a reason most of the experts and trainers have gone to them.
-three point: considered obsolete by some, these should not be ignored. They are a bit complicated and generally worst for shoulder transitions, but provide very comfortable carry (especially patrol carry) and outstanding control of the gun. They can hang up in gear and can interfere with the safety lever or other left-side controls, however. A good choice for someone who is walking extensively and using the gun little, or will always have at least a few seconds to go from carry to firing.
As for brands, I think Spec-Ops is outstanding regardless of price and is even better when their reasonable prices are factored in. For two-point designs, the Blue Force (Vickers Tactical) and unrelated V-TAC slings are generally seen as top options, with Specter usually mentioned right behind. I don't know why Spec-Ops isn't mentioned as the very top option because based on all the brands I've used they have the best materials and construction, with the design of the Patrol Sling being only slightly behind the Blue Force and V-TAC (which do have a slightly better design for adjusting length). Many spec-ops slings offer multiple usage options, with the "T.H.E. Mamba" being able to be used as a single-, two-, or three-point design just with the included pieces. Likewise, the patrol sling works as a single- or two-point sling in stock form.
HorseSoldier
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I'd pretty much completely +1 what taliv already said -- adjustable two points from Viking Tactics or Vickers (the latter through Blue Force Gear) are going to be better for general applications like hauling a gun for distance compared to a single point. Your groin and your knees will thank you in the long run . . .
kwelz
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Every time I have tried to use a 2 point tac sling it was like watching a fly in a web. Everyone involved was amused, even me. LOL. Switching to reaction side lead to me almost choking myself to death LOL. I guess I should have said that *I* don't see how it is usable HAHA! Transition to reaction side, switching to secondary weapon, etc are all easier for me on a Single point.
I have my Vtac around here somewhere. I should dig it out and see if I can avoid killing myself with it.
I have my Vtac around here somewhere. I should dig it out and see if I can avoid killing myself with it.
kwelz
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Honestly Taliv I don't remember. It has been a while and I am lucky to remember what I did yesterday at this point LOL.
I Carry my AR15 around a lot on a padded Butler Creek sling, it is really comfortable if you choose to go the 2-point sling route. Doesn't bother me walking 10+ miles with it for hunting. It is a little stretchy, though, so not optimal for a shooting sling.
Sunray
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There's no such thing as a 'tactical' sling. The term is a marketing thing only.
Will Fennell
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Blue Force gear
I'm a big fan of the Blue Force Gear Vickers 2 pt sling. Walking, climbing hills or tree stands, in and out of vehicles......they work and work well. Extremely versatile.
I'm a big fan of the Blue Force Gear Vickers 2 pt sling. Walking, climbing hills or tree stands, in and out of vehicles......they work and work well. Extremely versatile.
kwelz
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Yes and no Sunray. Tactical has become a catch all term used to describe equipment used in a more combat oriented role. For instance a traditional U.S. 2 point sling is pretty much just a carrying strap and is completely different from the type we are discussing here.
highorder
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My sling is attached at the rear of an A2 stock, and at the rear on my handguard.
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