Are "AR's" really worth the price ??

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This is a legitimate question ! I have never shot one, but I have talked to a couple of people that own them, and they swear that they are the "Cat's Meow" so to speak. The .223 is an ok! cartridge, in my opinion but nothing spectacular. So what am I missing about these "Black Rifles" that create so much hype in the gun world. I have several rifles from 7mm to .375 caliber, so what am I not getting?
Please help me see the error of my ways !!
 
One word "customization". That's why they are so addicting. The aftermarket is endless.
 
They are used by the US military, that is a key selling point, "own the rifle they use over there" also they look really menacing but are easy to shoot, and they are ridiculously versatile: with one lower receiver and a variety of uppers you could shoot anything from .22 lr to .458 SOCOM by popping out a few pins and changing mags. That and the level of control a shooter has over look and feel, being able to change all the furniture to their liking with little or no tools and no gunsmithing experience.
 
They are the Barbie dolls of the rifle world, and guys go crazy over how to dress them up.

I bought one to see what all the fuss was about, but I'm just not that much of a rifle person. I don't really see what all the fuss is about, but then again I haven't used any of the other popular "assault rifle" platforms out there. I bought mine for the versatility, as I can use it for a variety of different tasks all by swapping out a few parts here and there.
 
I'm interested in getting one. I wish that fixed buttstocks and 20" barrels were more common, they are quite a bit more expensive. Because of it and my limited budget, I've decided to get a standard 16". From my shopping around, I've found that they can be completely built for under $500. I figure that's a good entry level price.
 
no an ar 15 is a nice rifle at the range only! it is a 22 caliber bullet with no stopping power. it is very accurate when <removed> you want a bigger caliber! Assuming you know it is more expensive to maintain and shoot as well as parts etc.
 
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The AR is extremely versatile. If it doesn't fit you right, you can change the stock or handguard in less than 10 minutes. It is an extremely durable rifle, provided you buy quality parts.

See Daniel Defense Torture Test:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89HEefl1KI4

.223 isn't the only caliber for the AR. CMMG makes .22 caliber conversion kits, and Tactlite makes a .50BMG upper. And .223 can be used close up on deer. Maintenance is very simple and isn't complicated. They are a proven system, and are proven everyday on the Battlefield.
 
no an ar 15 is a nice rifle at the range only! it is a 22 caliber bullet with no stopping power.

It has the same energy at 100 yards as a .44 magnum point blank. It also has twice the energy as a .45 ACP point blank at 300 yards. There is more than just bullet size that determines how well it performs or how much "stopping power" it has. If that was the case than why do measly .30 caliber rounds like .308 Win and 30-06 have much, much more power than .45 ACP with a smaller and lighter bullet?
 
What your missing is the fun. Ar's, AK's, etc are just fun guns to have. Sure, there are police and military that use them for work and people who keep them around for defense. But, I would take a guess that most people that have them have them for the fun of it. Not every single gun someone owns has to have a serious purpose (ccw,hunting,work,etc.).
 
no an ar 15 is a nice rifle at the range only! it is a 22 caliber bullet with no stopping power. it is very accurate when <removed> you want a bigger caliber! Assuming you know it is more expensive to maintain and shoot as well as parts etc.
That's pretty much untrue across the board. I think your handle explains the bias that your false info comes from.
 
no an ar 15 is a nice rifle at the range only! it is a 22 caliber bullet with no stopping power. it is very accurate when <removed> you want a bigger caliber! Assuming you know it is more expensive to maintain and shoot as well as parts etc.

kalashnikovluv, you surely screwed the pooch with your very first post. First off, Welcome to THR! Secondly, you obviously don't know the versatility of the AR15 platform. It's not just a .22cal bullet anymore by a long stretch! In the 15, you can go as high as the .50 Beowolf which, at the proper range, would put a stop to pretty much anything on the North American Continent in very short order. Then you have the ergonomics versatility to pretty much fit any use you can think of. Then you can go to the AR10 platform for some VERY impressive performance from the mid length cartridges based off the .308.

Are they worth it? Well that can be a very subjective question. In my case, I just purchased an AR10 in 7mm.08 for the specific purpose of hog killing! Extremely accurate so far, very mild recoil (the main reason I picked the AR platform) so I have very fast follow up target reacquisition for when I am on a large pack of hogs and want to take multiple pigs. I carried the M4 quite a bit in the service so I was already familiar with the platform overall.

It is no more expensive to "shoot" than any other .223 other than you may get "shot happy" and shoot more rounds than you would with a bolt .223 at the range. And servicing them is not really any more expensive than any other semi automatic rifle. They are actually VERY easy to work on yourself with very few tools required. And in the case of SHTF, I do believe I would be very comfortable with an AR15 in my hands with a few magazines. I take it you have never seen what a 55g will do to the human body out to 300yds. To put it mildly, it aint pretty!
 
So what am I missing about these "Black Rifles" that create so much hype in the gun world. I have several rifles from 7mm to .375 caliber, so what am I not getting?

High fun factor is what you are missing with an autoloader. They do get high priced with all the mags and ammo though. I like AR's but there are other black rifles I like more. Perhaps you should take a look what is available aside the AR series.
 
For most of us, the purpose of a firearm is to give enjoyment to its owner. If it is fun to shoot, that's sufficient.

From what I can see, they are great fun at the range. They don't beat you up, and many of them are quite accurate. They are also perfect for jackrabbits, coyotes, skunks, raccoons and prairie dogs. It's something that our wives and children can shoot without getting a sore shoulder. They are very versatile.

That's a lot of good things.
 
Worth the price if you like to shoot lots of times at things 100+ yards away. 223/5.56 is much softer recoiling and cheaper than almost any 30 cal or 7mm cartridge. I like the AR15.

Do you like shooting dozens of rounds through a semi-auto rifle? If yes the AR15 is for you.

Do you like rifles with manly recoil and a thunderous boom everytime you pull the trigger? If yes the AR15 is not for you. (I've seen used 458 win. mags for the prices similar to new AR15s, those are for you.)

Are you happy doing most of your rifle practice at 75 meters/yards or less with 22lr? If yes an AR15 probably won't be a good use of your money. (I am still here, no AR15 in my closet yet)

Do you want to do lots of rifle practice at 100 to 600 meters? Then an AR15 is probably a good buy for you.

hmm everyone else has said similar things. Hope you let us know that it's clear now, then we can start the caliber war :(
 
IF YOU GOT FRIENDS THat have them why not ask them to go the range with them next they go out and decide for yourself.
 
I'm interested in getting one. I wish that fixed buttstocks and 20" barrels were more common, they are quite a bit more expensive. Because of it and my limited budget, I've decided to get a standard 16". From my shopping around, I've found that they can be completely built for under $500. I figure that's a good entry level price.

Take my word for it (because I've done it) - building your own is no cheaper than buying one off the shelf, and is more often than not, more expensive. The ONLY reason one should build an AR himself is to build a BETTER rifle than you can buy off the shelf.

Cookie-cutter guns from the likes of S&W, Colt, RRA, and others are comprised of a 16-inch 1:9 barrel with a carbine-length gas system, an A2 flash hider, a semi-auto BCG, A2 front sight post, standard trigger, and the cheapest value furniture they can pass off to the masses, and all for the low low price of $700-1000 - with NO extras (magazines - I have 21 so far).

If you're going to build one, you want to build a BETTER rifle, meaning better components, which means more expensive components. If you're patient, and find really good deals, you might be able to squeak by for a total cash outlay of under $1500, and we're not even talking about the cost of tools you'll have to buy, which will vary according to what parts you're buying for your rifle.

Next, you gotta talk about optics. Want a red dot? How about a regular scope? Decent mounts for a regular scope STARTS at about $80. Mounts for red dots are $100 and up.

Finally, resale value on custom-made guns is absolutely abysmal. Most of the time, people that are knowledgeable wouldn't touch a used home-made AR (probably built by a mall ninja) with a 10-foot pole.

The point I'm trying to make is that building your own AR is more expensive than a lot of people consider, and there will likely be additional expenditures that are not on most people's lists. Finally, it's unlikely that you'll be able to recoup your money if you ever try to sell it.

For what it's worth, my home-made rifle cost me about $1200 to complete (not counting shipping and parts do-overs*). If you add all that up, we're probably talking in the neighborhood of $1700 - WITHOUT optics.

Here's my web page that describes the parts I put in it:

http://www.paddedwall.org/guns/rifles.aspx

It's the first rifle shown on the page.

* A "parts do-over is where I had to order parts a second time, or when I changed my mind about configuration, or to replace a part I managed to somehow booger-up.
 
no an ar 15 is a nice rifle at the range only! it is a 22 caliber bullet with no stopping power. it is very accurate when <removed> you want a bigger caliber! Assuming you know it is more expensive to maintain and shoot as well as parts etc.
Welcome to THR. Your statement about the. 223/5.56 not having any "stopping power " shows that you have never used one in combat. There are literally tens of thousands of enemy combatants that have been killed by the 5.56.
 
I wish that fixed buttstocks and 20" barrels were more common, they are quite a bit more expensive

Not really, my BCM 20" upper didn't cost me any more than my 16", or any other of their standard uppers. And fixed stock lowers shouldn't cost any more than collapsible stock lowers, they are actually cheaper to build.

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Popular for many reasons; versatile round (and the ability to have one in several different calibers), endless customization options (the adult "barbie doll" and "legos" as mentioned earlier), ability to emulate what the military/police are using, features at price point, etc.

Is it "worth the price"?

That's a question that only you can answer -- it depends.
 
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