Are Colt & S&W off your list due to there betrayals?

[Zedicus]

Are Colt & Smith & Wesson Off of your buying list for any new Firearms as a result of the betrayals of the Supporters of 2nd Amendment?

(If you don't know what I mean, Please look at the 2 in the list below.)

• Colt Researchs Smart-Guns, and supports the Smart-Gun Law.
• S&W Supported Clintion's moronic idea (can't remember what it's called).

And I can't remember which it was but one or both of them Supported the new idiotic Restrictions Imposed in the Loony Bin State (C.A).

Personaly I think that they are both "Supporting" themselves out of the Firearms Industry by Siding with the Gun-Grabbers.

As a Result, I will not buy a firearm from them that was made after they more or less turned on there Coustomers.

Just my $0.02...

What about you?

 

[Rebel Gunman HK]

I like my guns dumb. Im the smart one.

 

[ARperson]

The short answer to your question is 'yes.'

But I don't buy from Colt anyway because I refuse to pay for the name when I know there is something out there that works equally well or better and doesn't cost as much.

 

[Cosmoline]

I thought Colt stopped making iron for sheeple a few years ago.

I don't buy new firearms much anymore, so this rarely comes up. There's too many good OLD S&W and Colts out there to waste money on the overpriced firearms S&W at least produceds today, politics or no.

 

[Mark Tyson]

Someone tell me: who makes good wheelguns besides Colt, Ruger and Smith? All three of these companies are on my list.

Oh yes, I also thought that Colt stopped making weapons for us little people a few years ago.

 

[MicroBalrog]

Someone tell me: who makes good wheelguns besides Colt, Ruger and Smith?

Taurus? Freedom Arms?

 

[Thumper]

In my opinion, Colt's transgressions aren't even close to S&Ws.

I used to badmouth Colt quality as badly as anyone but, under the new management, the Gov't Models (past two years) are an incredible buy. Tolerances perfect and bluing "old school," even on the formerly crap 1991 models.

...and the "not selling to civilians" was internet hokum.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

If you dont like S&W or Colt because of their politics... just buy used.


Their older guns are usually better anyway.

 

[Sean Smith]

In my opinion, Colt's transgressions aren't even close to S&Ws.

I used to badmouth Colt quality as badly as anyone but, under the new management, the Gov't Models (past two years) are an incredible buy. Tolerances perfect and bluing "old school," even on the formerly crap 1991 models.

...and the "not selling to civilians" was internet hokum.

Agreed. Colt looked into smart gun technology (and apparently dumped it). Dopey, but no big deal in my book. Not even the same order of magnitude as what S&W did.

I thought Colt stopped making iron for sheeple a few years ago.

Wrong. And by my count Colt is selling close to 50 different firearm models to the public.

http://www.colt.com/CMCI/home.asp

 

[greyhound]

well, when I was a newbie and had no clue about the boycott, I bought a used S&W.

Not saying I wouldn't buy a new one if a great deal came along, but I'd think twice about it....

 

[GSB]

Smith paid the price. Or should I say their foreign owners paid the price. I'm not about to beat up the new owners over it. Yeah, yeah, before anyone goes on about how the new guys didn't crawl across broken glass and brave a volcano to make their way through Mordor to throw the Agreement in a river of fire and purge their souls of their inherited cosmic guilt through ritual scourging, I've heard it all before.

It's simple for me. The guys who screwed up are gone, pushed out of the business by the boycott, and new guys are running the store -- people who've gone out of their way even to the point of having reps go out and letting the masses test drive their product line.

Carrot and stick folks. If you don't let up on people when they try to do better, then you don't give anyone any incentive to try to placate you in the future. They'll just write you off and move on.

 

[Zedicus]

Agreed. Colt looked into smart gun technology (and apparently dumped it). Dopey, but no big deal in my book. Not even the same order of magnitude as what S&W did.

True, S&W more or less Stabbed there own Coustomers in the Back and releaved themselves on there remains....

 

[CGofMP]

I do not mind colt, though I have never bought one of their products as the prices were too high anyhow.

Smith & Wesson on the other hand.... I opine that they betrayed myself and all other gunowners and though the new management APOLOGISES for their agreements they have yet to crawl across broken glass and brave a volcano to make their way through Mordor to throw the Agreement in a river of fire and purge their souls of their inherited cosmic guilt through ritual scourging by truly RENOUNCING the agreements.

The truth of the matter is those agreements are STILL in place. The next time a Klintonesqe administration comes into power they probably CAN BE ENFORCED!

I WILL buy used S&W pieces which were made before the agreement... In fact I did just last year... but until they renounce their betrayal, they will not see one single hard earned dollar of mine.

This is too bad because I believe that they make the best revolvers ... I love the 586/686 series and in fact have a well worn 586 that has made me very proud.

S&W's loss is a gain for other gun companies however... There are plenty of other items I'd love to have... I will spend money on them. A Thompson Contender sounds like a fun toy, I'd love a Luger, and someday I'll get a Jardine's Custom 1911..... If I can get out of CCCPalifornia I will get something class III...

S&W DOES have the opportunity to win back my business, but they will have to do some pretty heroic and brave things to do so.

Charles


S&W's Dance With The Devil can be found here
An interesting read on this can be found here

 

[Moparmike]

New, they are both too expensive for me. I cant even afford 90% of their used products.

 

[TheeBadOne]

Food for thought

The anti's must love it when they can sit back and let gun owners put gun makers out of business, with out rasing a pinkie...

 

[Standing Wolf]

I don't do business with anti-Second Amendment bigots.

 

[Alan Fud]

• Posted by Jeff OTMG: S&W has been actively dismantling the work of the former administration. They have had 12 agreements repealed, the largest being the one with Boston. Keep your eyes on the news this fall, you just might see something that may surprise you.
  
  I still boycott Ruger, but when S&W went to the AG and cities to try to get this resolved, they were okay in my book. For liability reasons you will NEVER see S&W take out an ad saying 'WOO-HOO! Look what we did! We got out of it!' If you are waiting for that, you will never buy a new S&W.

• Posted by ahadams: AFAIK those who said that the agreement with the govt is an assumed liability are essentially correct. They are, however, ignoring something else that happened about 5 or 6 months into the current Bush administration. At that point in time the Bush Administration stated (publicly, but not terribly loudly) that they did not see the agreement as enforcible and were not interested in enforcing it. I do not know the technical terminology for this, but what they've effectively done is to give the new S&W an out which does not require them to spend one more dollar on legal fees in this regard. Even should (God forbid) President Bush not get re-elected, by the time whoever comes after him gets into office the government will have allowed the agreement to lapse due to the fault of the government, which means S&W gets off scott free as long as they keep their mouths shut.
  
  Do you get it NOW?

 

[Tamara]

Colt Researchs Smart-Guns...

So does SIG. Probably other companies, too. (SIG had an "authorized user" P-226 prototype on the covers of all the gun rags as far back as '95.)

 

[Parker Dean]

Originally posted by Cosmoline
I thought Colt stopped making iron for sheeple a few years ago.

While this has already been refuted I'll expand on it a bit.

I, too, used to believe that Colt stopped making commercial firearms but this was never true. At best it was a misunderstanding of Colt's position, and at worst it was a blatant lie that took advantage of a change in the sales policy at Colt.

What happened was that Colt chose to stop selling guns directly to whatever FFL called them up and said they wanted one. The change in sales policy was that Colt would now sell only to distributors, who the retail FFL's would then buy from.

Not that hard to understand IMO, but here nearly a decade later the rumor persists. Not that Colt has done just a whole lot to dispel the myth until here recently.

 

[six 4 sure]

My decision not to purchase (new) Colt or S&W has little to do with their politics and more to do with they don’t make anything I want. I have purchased Colt and S&W, but everything has been used and/or old. These include a 1911 (circa 1917), green label AR, S&W Mod 28.

 

[garrettwc]

1. Colt looked into smart guns, as did most every other gun manufacturer as has been previously stated. It's called new product R&D. Car manufacturers do it so that they are ahead of new emissions laws that Congress may pass.

2. Colt has never stopped making guns for the sheeple. Due to their financial conditions and the failures of previous management the supply trickled down to nothing and they are still trying to overcome the myth that they went out of the consumer business. They are coming back full force. They even have their own M4gery AR15 out again and it looks to be the schizzle

3. S&W doesn't have any new products that I am even remotely interested in so they are a moot point. As for the agreement, new management has chosen not to pursue it, which is a start, but still a long way from pulling out of it all together. Pure politics, don't be braver than you have to stuff.

 

[Alan Fud]

" ... Colt has never stopped making guns for the sheeple ... "

Am I to understand that I can still buy a new Pocket-Nine and a new Magnum Carry I really wanna get my hands on them

 

[GSB]

I WILL buy used S&W pieces which were made before the agreement... In fact I did just last year... but until they renounce their betrayal, they will not see one single hard earned dollar of mine.

This type of senitment tells all gun companies "these people can't be reasoned with or mollified. I'll concentrate on the other 98% of the market and ignore the fringes." The "THEY" no longer exist. Why some people fail to grasp such a simplistic concept is beyond me.

 

[Joe Demko]

Ruger should have been included in this discussion of betrayal.

 

[Litlman]

I buy what I like and happen to have both brands. Old and new . It doesn"t to me...