Heck no! won't buy from rugers due to bills stand on hicaps, don't care for gaston glock either. Don't buy commie stuff or junk from china either. don't buy H&K cause of WWI and II. Don't buy Sigs cause i just don't like the swiss. But i'll give any neer-do-well a bad poke in his eye with my sharp american hickory stick by gum!
Are Colt & S&W off your list due to there betrayals?
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Not sure on Colt
The evidence for S&W magically getting out of the agrement by default is not sufficient. I'm not yet convinced they should be allowed to survive. When they do, I'll buy their stuff. I've actually got a list of stuff I want from'em, but can't buy cause they're still not OK.
Ruger also remains on my list of companies I won't do business with. Which is a bloody shame, cause it makes getting a .22 pistol a bother.
Not sure on Colt. If they wanna invest R&D on smart guns, they're making their own noose. I won't buy'em. Don't know anyone who will. I like my guns dumb.
"No no, you're holding me ALL wrong! SQUEEZE the trigger, don't JERK it, you jerk! I'm a fine piece of machinery you barbarian!"
It just wouldn't work out.
My guns should only say 2 things "click" and "bang"
-Morgan
The evidence for S&W magically getting out of the agrement by default is not sufficient. I'm not yet convinced they should be allowed to survive. When they do, I'll buy their stuff. I've actually got a list of stuff I want from'em, but can't buy cause they're still not OK.
Ruger also remains on my list of companies I won't do business with. Which is a bloody shame, cause it makes getting a .22 pistol a bother.
Not sure on Colt. If they wanna invest R&D on smart guns, they're making their own noose. I won't buy'em. Don't know anyone who will. I like my guns dumb.
"No no, you're holding me ALL wrong! SQUEEZE the trigger, don't JERK it, you jerk! I'm a fine piece of machinery you barbarian!"
It just wouldn't work out.
My guns should only say 2 things "click" and "bang"
-Morgan
Zedicus, good question, but the better question is to ask in order of magnitude of traitorious actions, which puts Ruger easily at the top, followed then by S&W, and Colts is way down on the list. I personally don't buy any of the above, but I think boycott of Ruger and S&W are the only "musts" by informed gun owners at present who care about the RKBA. Messing with WHAT guns can be owned and carried/used is the sacred ground of the second amendment, and that is what Ruger did in 1994.
Silver Bullet
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How about a short term lease ?
Silver Bullet
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It seems to me that what Ruger did was done by Bill Ruger the individual, and not by Ruger the company. He basically sold us out to get a more competitive advantage for his company.
S&W went way past that -- by several "orders of magnitude". S&W colluded with the Clinton Administration to give HUD control through the back door over the entire industry.
S&W went way past that -- by several "orders of magnitude". S&W colluded with the Clinton Administration to give HUD control through the back door over the entire industry.
Joe Demko
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Bill Ruger was the company. Until comparatively recently Ruger was a privately held corporation. Even if it was publicly traded at the time, Bill Ruger was the guy in charge. His decisions and corporate decisions were one and the same.
S&W did exactly the same thing Ruger did. They were conniving at getting a business edge out of an unfavorable legal environment. Only difference was that S&W did so after wide-spread internet access and so organizing and propagating boycotts became easier.
S&W did exactly the same thing Ruger did. They were conniving at getting a business edge out of an unfavorable legal environment. Only difference was that S&W did so after wide-spread internet access and so organizing and propagating boycotts became easier.
Silver Bullet
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I disagree.
Boy, I wish I'd have seen this thread sooner...
The simplistic concept here, my friend, is the large number of so called pro-gunners that decide to look the other way through emotion & "feel good" press releases & buzz phrases when they plunk money down on a new S&W, & then do a group hug.
If 98% of the gun buying community insisted that the Agreement be null & void - officially - before buying a new S&W handgun, then do you really think that the new owners would be ignoring it?
Saf-T-Hammer evaluated an investment opportunity, took the risk, & I guess it is paying off. They knew S&W made a nice product - no argument there - but then calculated a large percentage of us are selfish when it comes to our materialism & would be happy to look the other way once an American firm bought the company, using it as justification to buy what we want no matter who or what cause it funds. Apparently, they hit that nail dead on.
The message you are sending is that a change in management and/or ownership null & voids the Agreement with the pro gun community. If would appear that simple evaluation is too hard to appreciate, & we are truly our own enemy.
Mike Irwin
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Kinda sad, isn't it, Kevin?
Gun owners truly are the Second Amendment's worst enemy.
I've come to accept the fact that S&W is never going to give up the agreement, because most gunowners simply don't have the sense or stones to demand it.
I've also come to accept the fact that when the next anti-gun administration forces STRICT compliance with the agreement, and puts BATFE people in charge of S&W's marketing and R&D we're going to hear a screeching wail from those self-same senseless and stoneless people about how the "government" is crushing their rights, when all it will really take is a quick glance in the mirror to see the true culprit.
I think the Democrats dropping gun control from their platform, but not their support of it, is one of the smartest things they've ever done.
Gunowners have proven to be a bunch with very short memories, and will be lulled into complacency and lethargy -- "Hey, if it's not happening now, it never will happen again!"
And when the Democratic anti-gun ????storm really breaks it's going to be ugly, monumental, and our fault.
Gun owners truly are the Second Amendment's worst enemy.
I've come to accept the fact that S&W is never going to give up the agreement, because most gunowners simply don't have the sense or stones to demand it.
I've also come to accept the fact that when the next anti-gun administration forces STRICT compliance with the agreement, and puts BATFE people in charge of S&W's marketing and R&D we're going to hear a screeching wail from those self-same senseless and stoneless people about how the "government" is crushing their rights, when all it will really take is a quick glance in the mirror to see the true culprit.
I think the Democrats dropping gun control from their platform, but not their support of it, is one of the smartest things they've ever done.
Gunowners have proven to be a bunch with very short memories, and will be lulled into complacency and lethargy -- "Hey, if it's not happening now, it never will happen again!"
And when the Democratic anti-gun ????storm really breaks it's going to be ugly, monumental, and our fault.
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