Are Dems Flooding the Post Debate Polls?

[nvrquit]

I watched the debate and had most of the news sites open for observation. It's quite curious that an almost immediate flood of pro-Kerry votes streamed into the sites.

While I am hesitant to jump to rash conclusions, this bears a very strong probability of push/prearranged flash voting from the Dem side.

Mark this along with the shenanigans that are happening to Rep headquarters in various locations, in what would appear to be a possibly co-ordinated manner... well, it begs to ask some serious questions.


BTW, for those with inquiring(or accusatory) minds, I'm registered as Non Partisan(non-aligned). I've voted for Reps, Dems, Liberal and Constitutional party candidates. It depends on the candidate as well as the particular position and platform.


Oh yeah, flame away!



PS: Why was the "2nd Debate" thread closed?

 

[JG]

Flooding the polls is an understatement.

 

[WalkerTexasRanger]

Yep. They have instructions on how to cast multiple votes over at DU, and are encouraging the actions.

Even how to set up the PC to do it for you.

This is why they mean nothing......

 

[cracked butt]

Everyone does it.
How many thread topics here are "nuke this poll?"

 

[45Cal]

You tell me?

The DNC | 10/05/2004 | MM&

Dear *****

An "online coup d'etat." That's how CBS News described your efforts after the debate last Thursday.

John Kerry did his part with a powerful performance that showed America they can expect strong and principled leadership when he is our commander-in-chief. But it was your efforts that kept the Republicans from spinning their way to victory.

Now we need your help again. Tonight, John Edwards and Dick Cheney will meet for the only vice presidential debate of the campaign. Once again, we need you to take action the moment they leave the stage.

There are four critical things you can do to help beat the Republican spin machine.

Forward this email to family, coworkers, and friends.
Vote in online polls.
Write a letter to the editor.
Call radio and television stations.
Your 10 minutes of activism following the debate can make the difference. It is important that we double our efforts from the last debate, because the Republicans are now copying our strategy.

Vote in Online Polls
National and local news organizations will be conducting online polls during and after the debate asking for readers' opinions. Look for online polls at these news websites, and make sure to vote in every one of them:

CNN: http://www.cnn.com/
MSNBC: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ Wall Street Journal: http://www.wsj.com/
LA Times: http://www.latimes.com/
Akron Beacon-Journal: http://www.ohio.com/
Minneapolis-St. Paul Star-Tribune: http://www.startribune.com/
Orlando Sentinel: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/
Philadelphia Inquirer: http://www.philly.com/
South Florida Sun-Sentinel: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/

And be sure to check the websites of your local newspapers and TV stations for online polls. It is crucial that you do this in the minutes immediately following the debate.

Make sure swing voters know why you support John Kerry by sharing your thoughts on message boards in target states. Visit our 2004 Debate Center after the debate for a list of message boards where you can fight the Republican spin. If you visit chat rooms on AOL, MSN, Yahoo, or other websites, be sure to let people know what you thought of the debate.

Write a Letter to the Editor Immediately after the debate, go online and write a letter to the editor of your local paper. If you feel John Edwards presented an optimistic vision for the next four years, put it in your letter. If you feel Dick Cheney failed to explain the last four years of failed policies, put it in your letter.

Writing a letter is easier than you think. It takes just a few minutes and just a few clicks using our online media center:

http://www.Democrats.org/media/

Call Radio and TV Stations
TV and radio coverage immediately following the debate is where much of the spin is cemented. Make sure you call radio and TV stations to tell them what you thought.
Find shows in your area on our media website:

http://www.Democrats.org/media/find.html

Also...
Don't forget to visit our 2004 Debate Center before, during, and after the debate for important information and more ways to take action.

http://www.Democrats.org/debates/

Thank you,

Terry McAuliffe
Chairman

PS: Make sure to forward this email to at least 10 other people who will be watching the debate. Also, print out copies for your friends, family members, coworkers and neighbors and get them involved.

 

[gundam007]

Poll nuking is nothing wrong, no matter who does it. But when people find ways to cheat the voting system with multiple votes is when I have a problem.

 

[mountainclmbr]

These people are either deleting the "cookies" or possibly blocking cookies on their computer security features to allow them to vote as many times as they like. Those polls show how much we can expect the dead vote to show up. Here in Colorado there is intense court action to prevent the requirement to show an ID to prove you are the proper voter. You would think this would be a huge embarrasment to the Democrats, but apparently it is not.

 

[jefnvk]

If I put any thought into it, I probably could write a script that kept submitting a vote over and over. Don't trust online polls. I always hate is when I see an opinion poll on TV, and found out it was an Internet poll.

 

[Coronach]

NEWSFLASH

Internet polls of this kind mean absolutely nothing.

Everyone knows this.

The public opinion polls cited in the Nightly News and on CNN/MSNBC/Fox/et al are of a different sort. They're not always perfect, but they at least have some claims of scientific validity. There are also 'internet polls' of a different kind that are, supposedly, scientifically valid...but those are not the kind that we are discussing here.

We load these polls, they load these polls. No one pretends that these polls are valid.

Mike

 

[GLOCKME]

I believe the Dems are doing a great job at skewing the strictly UN-scientific polls on the net..I voted in the Fox news poll right after the debate last nite and it was already 60%+ Skerry over 30%+ for President Bush..

Being these polls mean nothing,the networks sure do report the findings as gospel though..

 

[Coronach]

Being these polls mean nothing,the networks sure do report the findings as gospel though.

Cite?

I have yet to hear any news organiation cite an internet poll of this kind as being scientifically valid. They will occasionally mention them, but I've always heard it stated that it was an 'informal poll' or somesuch.

BE AWARE:
When you hear them cite something like a Zogby internet poll, this is a completely different sort of animal. The jury is still out in the survey research community as to whether or not they are as valid as traditional surveys, but they are NOT the type of polls that we just go to websites and flood.

Apples and oranges. Like comparing a musket to an AR-15. Both rely upon the rapid deflagration of a chemical to propel a missile, and that's about where the similarity ends. In this instance, both involve the use of computers hooked up to the net...and that's where the similarity ends.

Mike

 

[GigaBuist]

Everyone does it.
How many thread topics here are "nuke this poll?"

Slightly different. The Dems are instructing their diehards to vote for Kerry/Edwards as the winner in debates regardless of how they perform in the debate.

Kerry could walk out like on stage, fifth of Jack Daniels in one hand, drunk off his behind and ramble on like an idiot (works for Ted Kennedy) and the Dems would still be voting for him in the online polls because that's what their party tells them to do.

When we 'nuke' a poll here (BTW, I only ever vote once, even though I probably could figure out how to repeat votes) we vote the way we do because we're informed on the issue and have evaluated the situation.

We vote based on our opinions -- not marching orders received from the DNC via email.

 

[JohnBT]

Dems flooding the polls?

Could be. The Bush supporters I know all have jobs and don't have the time to vote early and vote often.

John