Are duds safe to keep?

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Soapy5

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Pretty much what it says on the title. I have a (probably bad) habit of picking up any unique/interesting caliber duds I find laying in the dud can at the local range, but always wondered:

Are the duds any more/less dangerous than your standard live ammunition? (assuming that you have already waited the standard 30 seconds or so after the initial firing attempt)

Can they spontaneously go off if you drop them or jar them? (not including drops where the primer gets hit)
 
No, standard factory small arms cartridges won't just go off. Even duds. Whether the primer failed to detonate or the powder charge failed to ignite, there is nothing "armed" or "sensitized". There is no fuze or warhead. It already failed to fire (probably because of a defective primer or failed primer hit). The round is inert after a short safety wait and assuming the cartridge is not hot enough to cook off.

Are they safe to display or store? Yes (when treated like any other live round).

On the other hand, someone collecting dud explosive munitions (for instance...from a military range) would be a Darwin Award candidate.

Why collect examples of someone else's problem? It's like collecting broken toys. There are better ways to start a cartridge collection.
 
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I like unusual cartridges too. What is a better way to get just 1 of a particular size?

Whenever someone's close by on the range shooting a caliber you don't have, choose a time when the range is cold and he's just waiting. Express interest in his rifle and ask what caliber it's chambered in. Explain that you're building a collection of unfired cartridges; offer to buy a single round of his. Obviously it helps to have some idea what a single round of .416 Rigby or whatever goes for. Some folks actually swap around at the range--bring whatever they have in duplicate and keep their eyes open. You can do this at shows as well.
 
no I wouldn't trust them, perhaps a light primer strike, and it ftf'd. Why take the chance.
 
Chindo18Z said:
The round is inert after a short safety wait and assuming the cartridge is not hot enough to cook off.

There is nothing at all "inert" about a dud round. The round is still extremely capable of firing due to an external force applied to it.

Cooking off on it's own? Just as unlikely as any other unfired round of ammunition. But inert? Not by any means.
 
DON'T BRING X-TRA TROUBLE HOME!

My own 'duds' or unsafe/certain ammo I toss in a box marked CLEARLY "UNSAFE TO USE--DAMAGED/DANGEROUS AMMO---TURN OVER TO POLICE OR QUALIFIED AUTHORITY ONLY"

On a similar note---ALL damaged/currently un-servicable weapons in my care I zip tie the trigger and tag "UNSAFE TO USE" and write an expalnation.

The theory for the above is simple; if I die tomorrow I don't want my family or firends (or ANYONE) getting harmed by my 'gun junk'.
 
Chindo18Z: The round is inert after a short safety wait and assuming the cartridge is not hot enough to cook off.

NavyLCDR: There is nothing at all "inert" about a dud round. The round is still extremely capable of firing due to an external force applied to it.

Good point. Poor use of the word "inert" on my part. A better word would be "safe".
 
You guys think it would be safe to pull the bullet from a round that has failed to fire?

If so you could pull it out, dump the powder and re-seat the bullet. Just a suggestion
 
I try to disassemble or move on for safe disposal duds I encounter.

They're not truly inert, and they're not complete usable ammunition either.
 
Good lord lol if the primer when struck on a centerfire cartridge doesnt detinate imediatly or i a few seconds it never will. The thought that a jar or bump would set it of a day or years later no never ever its not nitro glycerin. Its gun powder not unsafe and leagle to buy unlike glycerine or such. If shels were that unstable or could be they wouldnt be available to the public. Black powder in the 1800 was that unstable. The newer powders we use today are made of the same elements but are reformulated to be stable so's that our mishandling is safe you have no worries of collecting DUD AMMO. Just because the primer is struck doesn't make it unstable. The fack that it had been struck and didn't go off is a sighn that its verry stable. ALSO PLS REMEMBER IN THE FIRST OF MY REPLY I SAID CENTERFIRE NOT RIMFIRE. RIMFIRE IS ALL TOGETHER DIFERENT. rimfire the priming compound is located in the rim of the shell. Sometimes the compound is not evenly placed all the way around the rim of the shell. That is why u may have a miss fire in rimfire pull the cartridge twist it so the firing pin will strike a different location and it fire the second attempt. So in theary you could acualy throw rimfires hard at a hard serfice and detinate one easily. When i was a kid we used to stick 22 shells in the muddy bank and shhot at them wit a bb gun. When you hit one it went bang in the mud. Centerfire is a cartridge eith a replacable primer that has to be struck inthe center. Rimfire has to be struck from the outer edge to be detinated,like 22,17, and theres a hole mother load of them from histery that i dont know the calibers but were learning. Also centerfire cartriges that have been struck and have not been detinated can also be a week strike from a week firing pin,or hammer spring on the gun it was fired from.
 
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I also have a clearly marked dud box that I will every so often clean out by dis-assembly and reuse all the components but the propellant. I too save some of the odd ball ones and treat them as live ammo.
 
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