Are firearms registered in Arizona?

[The Grand Inquisitor]

I know this is a cringe worthy thread title, but I ask it because of something I heard in the news today.

Earlier today, while listening to a report about the Chicago Bears' Terry "Tank" Johnson (and if you haven't heard about him, Geico would like to do a story about you and your rock) his lawyer, during a news conference after his court appearance in a request to play in the Super Bowl (after being nabbed on numerous firearms violations and breaking probation twice), said that she believed his firearms related charges would be dropped because his firearms were registered in Arizona.

Of course, you need to take anything a lawyer says with a tankard of salt, but I was interested to hear her state that his firearms were "registered" in Arizona.

While I'm not sure while this would be the case, considering Johnson is a felon three times over (with more than two firearms related felonies), but I am curious if individuals really have to "register" their firearms in Arizona. I've always thought that Arizona was one of the more liberal state regarding firearms with good laws regarding access is CCW, NFA, and just about anything else without too many silly restrictions for honest people.

Whatever is the outcome of this, even if his firearms really were "registered" (I hate that word...) , I don't understand how that would negate the fact that he did not have an Illinois FOID card, which is required to TOUCH a firearm in the state of Illinois.

Any info is greatly appreciated.

 

[buenhec]

Nope, they are not registered, but the dealer does keep a copy of the record. Also your info is called in to uncle sam for a background check. If you have a CCW they use the form but dont call in for the background check.

 

[Old Fuff]

Firearm registration (other then automatic weapons) is prohibited by law. Of course Federal requirements such as the #4473 form are required, and a background check is made unless the buyer has a concealed weapons license. Mr. Johnson's lawyer has been living in Chicago too long...

 

[salvador31c]

No Sir, and I hope not in the future either

 

[Standing Wolf]

Where does it say all that in the Second Amendment?

 

[The Grand Inquisitor]

Thanks for the info guys.


I kind of figured this was ill-informed lawyer speak, but the eternal optimist in me wanted to hold out a shred of hope that just perhaps this wasn't just complete stupidity.


That said, it's good to see that there are no Draconian "registation" laws (I hate that phrase) in Arizona.


Also, has anyone else been following this case?

Tank Johnson was busted a few months ago with multiple firearms in his house along with a group of convicted felons and plenty of weed. This would be his third major felonious run in with the law and his second major probation violation.

It seems like there is a great deal of "jock justice" going down right now, but there is a chance that he may be held to a thread of responsibility after this.

 

[Old Fuff]

Perhaps I should have made it clear that automatic weapons in Arizona are registered by the Federal Government, but not the state. Arizona doesn't register anything.

 

[armoredman]

AZ has excellent gun laws, and registration is not one of them. 4473s are maintaned by the FFL for 25 years, and then destroyed, unless the FFL goes out of business, at which time they are handed over to ATFE.
Who is this guy? Something football, right? Yes, I really DON'T watch football, or any other sport, sorry. Will Geico pay good money?

 

[DHard3006]

buenhec : Nope, they are not registered,

Yes firearms are registered in AZ. The FFL holder retains the form you fill out and enters the data on that form into their bound book. The ATF has the right to ask to see these records anytime they wish.

Old Fuff Firearm registration (other then automatic weapons) is prohibited by law.

Read up on the GCA.

Standing Wolf Where does it say all that in the Second Amendment?

It does not say that. Gun haters like Sarah Brady and some so called gun people use the “well regulated militia “ lie to defend gun control laws.

Old Fuff Perhaps I should have made it clear that automatic weapons in Arizona are registered by the Federal Government, but not the state.

You may wish to read up on the rules to purchase a NFA firearm. The part about CLEO. The CLEO gets a copy of your paperwork.

 

[History Prof]

Yes, I really DON'T watch football, or any other sport, sorry. Will Geico pay good money?

Yea, let me in on that one, too. The only sport I remotely like is Ice Hockey (kinda funny for an Arizonan, I know). And the only good thing about AZ having an NHL team is you get to watch the real hockey teams knock them around.

Part of the reason I am in AZ is the lack of idiotic laws regarding my firearms. They don't even keep records of what firearm you qualified with for your CCW.

 

[Old Fuff]

DHard3006:

Arizona is filled with guns what were either made before 1968, or are owned by parties who bought them from private persons where no forms were involved. Private sales between residents are not regulated by either the BATF&E, nor the State. It's enough to drive Mrs. Brady to drink. While it is true that the Feds. can check dealers bound books these are not state records and Arizona has nothing too do with them.

Automatic weapons are legal and unregulated so far as Arizona statutes are concerned, although they are can't be legally owned by the usual "prohibited persons." Otherwise anyone else who will jump through Uncle Sam's hoops and pay the tax can own one - or more depending on the size of their pocket book. The Chief Law Enforcement Officer is usually a rural county sheriff who doesn't give a hoot about Federal gun regulations. Such paperwork that they send him will be filed... somewhere.

 

[Car Knocker]

You may wish to read up on the rules to purchase a NFA firearm. The part about CLEO. The CLEO gets a copy of your paperwork.

Not if you form a corporation or trust.

 

[DHard3006]

Old Fuff : Arizona is filled with guns what were either made before 1968,

So what are you claiming? They never sold these firearms. They retained them? Do they not have a serial number on them from the manufacture?
Get over yourself Old Fuff, the gun that killed JFK was tracked to the owner in less then a day. This was before any federal requirements to retain records of guns sold.

Old Fuff : While it is true that the Feds. can check dealers bound books these are not state records and Arizona has nothing too do with them.

Why would you need a state record when you have federal records of every sale of a firearm by an FFL holder?

Old Fuff : Automatic weapons are legal and unregulated so far as Arizona statutes are concerned,

They are? Then why does the local CLEO get a copy of my form 4? Unregulated? Federal law requires firearms both class 3 or none class 3 firearms be regulated in AZ.
Live in your make believe world all you want, but do not go around spewing lies.

 

[DHard3006]

Car Knocker : Not if you form a corporation or trust.

Are you claiming you do not have to maintain any books or records for the ATF if you are a corporation or trust?

 

[Car Knocker]

No, I'm saying that the CLEO doesn't have to be notified.

 

[DHard3006]

Car Knocker : No, I'm saying that the CLEO doesn't have to be notified.

Was this brought up by me? Or just another stewart wannabe from Utah trying to make a point? You do know where stewart is right now don’t you? Sitting in a federal prison cell a few miles north of PHX. Actually he is sitting on the backside of a hill used as the a backstop for a rifle range in AZ. Better known as The Ben Avery Shooting Facility.

 

[Car Knocker]

Was this brought up by me?

Yes, when you stated the CLEO must be notified. Am I incorrect in that it is legal for a legitimate corporation or trust to acquire a Class 3 firearm without being required to notify the CLEO of the proposed purchase?

 

[spaceCADETzoom]

dhard...yeesh. Simmer down.



I thnk the short answer is that Arizona guns are not "registered" at least in the sense of the poster's original question. Is there a paper trail? Yes. Records of sales? YEs. So, yeah, it's all "registraration" by certain definition...but not in the way the question was orginally asked.

No one was intentionally spewing misinformation on this thread...I think you're being awfully defensive, buddy. Cut back on the anger pills/

 

[armoredman]

Dhard, 4473 forms are retained by the FFL for 25 years, and then destroyed. If the FFL goes out of business before the expiration, (yes, that is a relatively new thing), then the 4473s are shipped to ATFE for storage. At least, that was the law when I worked at a gunshop.

 

[History Prof]

Wow. What happened to this formerly polite thread?

 

[ArfinGreebly]

Registration?

No!

Say it ain't so!

The feds would NEVER break their own rules!

The government can always be trusted. I asked them.

Of course, any information turned up in the course of an investigation of any kind at all might wind up stored in their "investigations" database.

And they probably don't have the fax number of every FFL out there. And they probably don't have any way to broadcast a "log search" request for a given serial number to those FFLs.

Buncha cons-piracy theorists.

 

[Bart Noir]

Dhard3006,

This is called The High Road for a reason.

Live in your make believe world all you want, but do not go around spewing lies.

People have been banned from THR for less. I know, one is my friend. So, please be more polite or else I am confident you won't be posting here long.

Old Fuff, nice bit of self-control you have there there. If asked which of you two AZ residents I trust for correct info, you just know which one I pick

Bart Noir
No bootlicking there, just how I see it.