Are humans wired as predators?

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Look at a deer. It's eyes are off to the side of its head which offers greater peripheral vision which would facilitate escaping from a predator. Deer are prey.

Now look at a lion. Both of its eyes are to the front, which provides binocular vision. This setup provides depth perception which is useful for hunting prey. Lions are predators.

Sharks-eyes to the front-predator
Cows-eyes to the side-prey
Wolves-eyes to the front-predator
Hawks-eyes to the front-predator

Where are your eyes?

I'm sure there are arguments against this and any animal, even predators, can be prey for something else, but it seems compelling on its face. The grazing-type animals are configured as prey. The hunters are configured like we are.
 
I think so, only socialization tells us different. Good thing too for the most part...unless you truly believe it (that we aren't predators) when your life is at stake.
 
Humans are not an absolute of either. We are omnivores, meaning that we both hunt and forage for food. That is why our teeth are not like that of a shark, which has nothing but meat tearing razors in its mouth. We have both K9's for tearing meat, and molars for grinding plant fibers and grains.
Therefore, I think it is safe to say that humans can be either, or both.
 
As KB said, we're omnivores. We'll eat whatever we can find or catch.

We don't need big, ripping teeth, because our evolution included clubs and spears.

There was an interesting piece on TV a while ago, pointing out that humans don't run very fast, but can run longer distances than most other animals. We cool our bodies by sweating, whereas the animals we're chasing have to cool by panting. That's not effecient. They have to stop frequently to cool off, otherwise they overheat and pass out. We can chase them till they're woozy and fall down. Then we walk up and hit them with a club or stab them with a sharp stick.

A cheeta is very fast, but gets overheated and has to stop pretty quickly. Humans can run for hours.

We win!!
 
Granted the teeth are not those (strictly) of a carnivore but the method of hunting seems telling.
 
Our eyes evolved to be like they are so we could use scope sights.

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Bruce
 
humans are definantly predators. we do eat other things, which make us omnivores, but we can still be predators in addition. we dont have nasty teeth or claws because we developed the ability to make and use tools suited to our tasks
 
Human beings are the most dangerous predators to walk the earth. Even physically, we are highly formidable animals. A very strong, well-trained man with a knife is a match for ANY creature around his size. With a knife, we can kill a bear, we can kill a lion. Maybe not reliably, and surely most people couldn't even dream of doing it, but we're very large, very smart, very strong animals.

We may not have claws, but anything we find is a weapon, and our communications skills can't be beaten.

Given even the weakest girl a decent rifle, and suddenly, the lions don't stand such a great chance. With simple tools, we're very strong, but with modern tools, we are more suited for killing than ANY other animal on earth.

And that's precisely why we have a conscience. Mother nature has a sense of humor; give the animal unimaginable capacity for destruction and make him acutely aware of it. Thank god for that.
 
Was there ever any doubt?

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Humans are Omnivores, Not Vegetarians

A balance of meat and veggie consumption is what we are . . . without meat we are doomed as a species. Vegetables are not human mainstays! Our brains would wither, and soon render us Gorillia-like in nature. Human brainpower requires meat consumption. Our minds must be challenged and fed meat to continue our dominance upon this earth. Eating only leaves will end human dominance swiftly. Since we allowed WOLVES to re-inhabit human habitate recently, I expect a battle soon betwixt predator and prey. HUMANS being the PREY, doubt not! cliffy
 
...and this is related to firearms S&T how?

It isn't, Mainsail. Understanding human emotions, thoughts, and reactions to threats have absolutely NOTHING AT ALL to do with strategies or tactics. Neither does understanding why some people may be aggressive in the first place.

We don't carry guns to deal with aggressive people, right?

That's why no one studies this stuff. After all, aren't wars are fought by mindless zombies?
 
Humans are definitely predators.

Eyes close together and forward, excellent hearing (at least for those who use hearing protection), and the ability to learn are all traits common in predator species.

We aren't just wired for predation, we are physically built for it.

Fighting/killing is arguably the thing humans are best at doing. At least, the species sure has done a lot of it.
 
Are we talking about preying on animals, or our fellow man? This isn't the hunting forum.


Human can be predators, and some do in fact choose to be.

Whether we're wired for it doesn't matter. Humans have the ability to make decisions about how we'll live. Some decide to prey on other humans, many do not.
 
We are built as predators. That's why we are capable of throwing a rock accurately, aiming a spear, an arrow or a bullet. Being able to use projectiles is a skill that we are wired for, and you can see that in most of our sports.

We also have compassion, mercy, emotion and rationality. These make us different from other predators, and everything else for that matter.
 
ha...

...being a predator has nothing to do with eating ...and everything to do with hunting...
If you don't hunt...you're just a consumer...
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...and this is related to firearms S&T how?


Don't look like prey, think like a criminal.
-me

Every swinging richard today wants to buy a magic talisman to keep them safe.

A criminal (predator) will take a one dollar screwdriver and take out a targeted victim (prey) that has the latest greatest handgun with larger capacity magazine stoked full of ammunition that blew the doors of anything else on the market in gelatin testing and accuracy testing.

Even a momma quail, a beautiful bird no bigger than your fist, has better understanding of the prey-predator relationship.
She knows a threat, is going to look for easier softer prey. She knows the predator is going to watch, have a plan, and often times not be alone. The strike of the threat will be fast and swift,and if she is not paying attention, she will not even know a threat exists, until it is too late, and the predator(s) have struck.

Quail, especially that momma, are armed. They have Mindset, Skill sets, and know how to employ the tools they have to stay safe.
I have seen grown men , with a nice expensive shotgun in hand, not only pee themselves, also drop that nice shotgun, and fall down, because the quail was armed, and stopped an immediate threat of that hunter with a nice expensive shotgun.

...even the shotgun that racks, does not scare the small beautiful quail at the sound of it being racked. Instead the quail better knows where the Predator is by the racking of the shotgun.

When the quail Explodes at the foot of threat, this explosion throws the threat off their intended game plans and the quail fly away, as distance is a friend in staying safe.

I have seen the feral cat that one second was the predator, so focused on that momma quail feigning a busted wing, and instead of being able to take that easy prey, became prey themselves,and never knew they were the hunted until they woke up dead.


So yes humans posses the ability to be predators, it is part of how the human being is set up. The human body is designed to protect itself.
The most known is the "Flight or Fight" response.

The human body will also be a predator upon itself. One cannot be in a constant state of awareness, as the human body will not let it. A sniper can only be effective for a period time behind the glass, before the human body says it needs a break.

If the human body does not get enough calcium, it will become a predator to take calcium from bone.

In the brain is an area called "The Circle of Willis", the human body will be a predator unto itself to kill of other systems to protect The Circle of Willis. It is designed to protect that part of the brain.
The Circle of Willis is to be the last thing to die.



Then we have the reality some folks are not wired like law abiding folks, hence the reason we call them criminals.

There exists various Models of the Violent Criminal Actor (VCA) [NTI] and one is best advised to know what these "types of criminals" are.

Which leads us to :

There is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who have
hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for
anything else thereafter.
-Ernest Hemingway


Why did Hemingway pen such words? Those of you familiar with Hemingway know of his life experiences.
Hemingway also hunted dangerous game, and as our esteemed member H&H Hunter has shared with us before , when one is after dangerous game that will hunt you, and will eat you, you realize you are no longer at the top of the food chain.

Remember those various types of criminals I referenced Skip at National Tactical Invitational shares with the Study Group, and all of us?
Some models are those criminals that hunt armed men down.
Which means someone has to hunt these criminals down.

A wise citizen will take prudent steps to know , to investigate and verify themselves first, then the rest of the habitat they share , so they will not be subjugated.

Because the Military , Police, and Criminal sure do understand this predator portion of the predator and prey relationship.

Homeless persons, those living on the streets understand this relationship, and they do take prudent steps to stay safe.
Folks go on about buying "body armor", I hate to break it to you folks, the homeless have known about body armor a long long time, and unlike many citizens that purchase armor and never wear it, the street person actually does employ his, by wearing it daily.
To this day new cops , full of urine and vinegar, with all the new high tech equipment, including gun, get bested by a street person.
Seasoned cops try to inform the new cops, but the seasoned ones are "old fashioned", "old school" and "don't know how this new high tech equipment is gonna____."

Are humans wired as predators?
Yes.

Thread relevant to anything on a gun forum, in the S&T sub=forum?
Damn Skippy it is!
 
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We presuppose humans, or at least some of them, behave as predators. If not, then why does this particular subforum exist?


Timthinker
 
A cheeta is very fast, but gets overheated and has to stop pretty quickly. Humans can run for hours.

We win!!

Only if we can outrun them long enough for them to get tired...
 
correct me if im wrong, but ive heard that cheetahs can only run full speed for about 60 seconds. thats about a mile...it would take a while, but i'm guessing that we could catch them if in great shape. although i dont think cheetahs were our main source of food...
 
correct me if im wrong, but ive heard that cheetahs can only run full speed for about 60 seconds. thats about a mile...it would take a while, but i'm guessing that we could catch them if in great shape. although i dont think cheetahs were our main source of food...

I ain't worried about catching the danged cheetah!
 
Homo-sapiens are sort of a predator/gatherer blend. Ironically these days humans are somewhat disconected from both the instinct to defend against predators and the instinct to be the predator when neccesary. I blame that on our lives becoming very cushy, limiting natural selection. And you also have to blame laws against self-defense, pop-culture and the media for screwing up people's natural instinct to survive.
 
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