Are there any buyers left for another panic?

[bushmaster1313]

In the panic buying of January 2013 we saw .223/5.56 going for $1 a round and lousy used black rifles for well over $1000.

I would think that there can't be too many buyers left to pay prices like that in another wave of panic buying. First, many of the panic buyers were likely people who did not have a black rifle and now they do. Second, many more people than before have stocked up on ammo, and they will be less inclined to pay sky high prices in the next panic.

Any thoughts?

 

[USAF_Vet]

People will always panic buy, even if they don't need/ want the item under threat. Especially when it comes to guns. I saw people with shopping carts full of boxes of incandescent bulbs just before the ban (on new production) went into effect. For guns, though, the idea of flipping for profit is just too hard to resist for some. Look at .22LR, that situation isn't over yet. Still can't find much, or at a decent price (not that I'm looking hard or even in the market).

With a GOP House and Senate, Obama is a lame duck and can make plenty of threats. All bark. He can not do anything without congress, and even the last congress was unwilling to do much post Sandy Hook. If that event wasn't enough to force federal level gun control, nothing will. So it's down to the state level. And what we've seen is draconian gun law states pushing more restrictive legislation, and pro-2A states staying pro-2A. I think it'll be hard to incite a nationwide panic about a gun ban for quite some time, but if it does happen, there will always be people who have cash and are willing to spend it.

 

[Cee Zee]

Obama is a lame duck and can make plenty of threats. All bark. He can not do anything without congress,

Uh, no. Just because the constitution says he can't do it that doesn't mean he won't do it. I can cite all kinds of examples but this is a gun board. Expect more "non-executive actions" (done like an executive action but with no actual order so that it can't be overturned by the courts i.e. the immigration bill). He "will" use that tactic to limit ammo sales or something similar that will effectively be a very restrictive gun law put in place without congress or an executive action. He has effectively made himself a dictator and no one is doing a thing about it. We elected Republicans in an historic transformation only to find that they decided it was best to go along with Dear Leader. Got that tingle going up your leg yet? Mine goes down my leg and it feels wet. The constitution is effectively dead. Expect the new surgeon general to declare guns a health issue first thing. From there they can regulate them through the Department of Health and Human Services without bothering to get congressional approval or even presidential approval. It's already been tried before. This time there's no one to stand up against the onslaught. Do you know that at one time many doctors in Florida would not treat gun owners? They asked if you owned guns on their patient info forms and if you said yes you were out the door. Only a law prevented that from happening. Expect no such laws now.

Our 2A rights are more in danger right now than ever before. Here's an article you might want to read:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/395842/surgeon-generals-gun-problem-timothy-wheeler

 

[JeeperCreeper]

I think we can see another panic if the conditions are right. Because the threat of something "never to be able to get again" will make people with 30 AR15s want 30 more, just because the may never get a chance again.

It's a mental game, not a material game.

 

[MedWheeler]

Absolutely there is a potential market for the next "panic purchase" wave. The degree of it will depend on the triggering factors and how much notice people have.

I didn't buy any EBRs during any of the panic waves, and didn't have one yet. When the last one subsided, I did go buy one.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who believes I should have the right to one, but waited to get one.

Also, many who did buy during panic waves with no other "real" interest in their use have since sold them. A few of those folks, confronted with another clear attack on their rights, might regret having sold them.

 

[skoro]

Plenty.

I'd wager that a fair share would be repeat buyers from previous panics.

 

[WestKentucky]

If people believed that they would be banned and felt compelled to purchase, then in the future the same people will react the same way under the same circumstances. There likely will be more and more panic shoppers though as people grow increasingly more gullible, irrational, and irresponsible as the people in my generation have proven to be the case.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

People will always panic buy, even if they don't need/ want the item under threat. Especially when it comes to guns.

Absolutely

Think of how many complaints you see on this and other forums about "I can't find this ammo or that ammo, or this part", or complaints about prices still being too high on some items as if the panic is still going on. People are still having trouble getting what they want in some locales.

If you tell someone they can't have something, or the threat of having the option to own something being revoked is a real fear, people will do absolutely ridiculous things to themselves financially to ensure "they have it, just in case".

If Barrett 50 BMG rifles were in danger of being outlawed, you would see droves of people dipping into their retirement savings to go buy one tomorrow.

As long as people are people, there will be those who panic, and those who don't.

 

[Ohio Gun Guy]

I think so to... At least in my Circle of Friends, many long time gun owners were not panic buying this last go around. They may have bought some, here and there, but were not the ones buying in large quantities. I think many of the panic buyers were returning to the "Sport", former Military with no private firearms, or were just sitting on the fence and jumped in on our side.

I'll go so far as to say, I expect prices to increase and general availability to decline heading into this next Presidential Election Cycle and the last Two Years of the Current....

 

[MagnumDweeb]

Possibly, not everyone bought into the panic and stayed on the sidelines (that's what I did for the most part), so they may jump on the next one if it's bad enough on the horizons.

 

[jrdolall]

I didn't participate in the last panic. I bought a lot of guns at "normal" prices and most of my ammo at "normal" prices.
I think we are very much ripe for another panic and people will jump all over it just like they did the last one....and the one before that...and the one before that.
Have you ever been in the Southeast when a hurricane or snow storm is forecast? How many hot dogs can people eat in two days?

 

[mljdeckard]

I think we have a whole new crop of new shooters.

And I see no reason why those who were susceptible to panic buying the last two times, won't be susceptible the next time.

 

[Ky Larry]

"Noboby ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people." H.L. Menchin.

 

[wally]

Do you really believe that next time the media and anti-gun politicos are demanding more bans that you will be able to waltz over to the gun store and buy what you've put off and buy it "before the new laws take effect" without any price increases?

Ain't going to happen and you won't have a lot of warning before the next panic -- was caught by Sandy Hook, made arrangements to pick up my Suppressor at the "next gun show", bummer that Sandy Hook hit that week and I couldn't get through the door because the lines were so long. Had to drive to their shop ~100 miles away to pick it up and they were wall to wall with customers.

I expect prices to increase and general availability to decline heading into this next Presidential Election Cycle and the last Two Years of the Current....

You are not paying attention, prices are down as are sales, people feel "safe" in putting off purchases in case prices go lower in a few months. If we have another 2008 Obama-like election where the socialist/liberals control everything It'll be really bad by Dec 2016. But the forecast for more gun control is poorer now that it has been since the AWB renewal failed in 2004

 

[armedwalleye]

I've actually considered laying in a couple ARs for just such an occasion...

 

[Reloadron]

Are there any buyers left for another panic?

Wait, I think I recall reading that after the last panic and the one before and the one before... Based on all I have seen I would answer with a resounding yes. Why would anything change?

Ron

 

[stchman]

The thing that Obama and the Democrats have had to realize over the last 6 years is that everytime they open their mouth, gun and ammo sales skyrocket.

Obama and the Democrats are doing the opposite of what they want, they are creating new shooters each time.

With this being said, liberals rarely look at things logically(at least it seems that way), and will further try to limit firearms and further expand the firearms industry.

 

[LeonCarr]

The current panic is still going on.

I still can't go to the local Wal-Mart and buy .22LRs off the shelf. That is my indicator that panic buying is still continuing.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

 

[WVsig]

All I know is that my local market is flooded with used guns. The ones that are priced at what I would call normal prices are not selling. Anything priced near panic pricing is going nowhere.

The only guns moving are ones that are price low. Like a NIB C75B for $400. most FFLs I have talked to tell me things are slow......

I personally think that too many new gun owners/panic buyers were taken advantage of. I saw soooo many guns sold for too much. I looked at the advertising using scare tactics. I listened to gun shops lie to people about pending doom. I would not let any new prospective guns owners were friends of mine who wanted to buy during the panic go to a gun shop alone.

I think it is horrible how the retail gun world preys on the new scared consumer. It breeds mistrust in the newest crop of shooter who we should be bringing into the fold instead too many of them are getting gouged.

 

[Agsalaska]

You know, that's a really good question and in my opinion the best topic on THR in a long time.

I am going to have to give this some thought, but my gut tells me, maybe. There are a lot of variables and I think the cause of the panic will be the determining factor.

 

[MagnunJoe]

Just wait until Hillary gets elected. That panic storm will make The last one seem like a joke.

 

[WVsig]

Just wait until Hillary gets elected. That panic storm will make The last one seem like a joke

Right but it is based in a baseless fear.... :banghead: and too many within the current structure will rape the panic buyer.

Current make up of the supreme court which should hold true for the next 8 years has already ruled in our favor. Under Obama our rights have expanded not decreased on the whole. Spreading and peddling fear is the answer.

 

[USAF_Vet]

The current panic is still going on.

I still can't go to the local Wal-Mart and buy .22LRs off the shelf. That is my indicator that panic buying is still continuing.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

But you can find AR-15s in the $500 range. This time in 2013, AR rifles were three times that for the same gun.

 

[WVsig]

But you can find AR-15s in the $500 range. This time in 2013, AR rifles were three times that for the same gun.

+1

We are nowhere near panic level.

 

[LeonCarr]

Yes, happiness is a 500 dollar AR, but bliss is being able to find pistol powder and .22LRs.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr