are there any people out there that are animal lovers AND gun lovers?

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chieftain said:
Every Veterinarian I know is a hunter.

I don't know any hunters that don't like animals. In fact the hunters are the folks that have always saved habitat and animals world wide, oh and of course pay for it.

I don't know many "animal lovers" that don't hunt that put their money where their mouth is. At least not on any regular basis.

Make what you will of that.

Go figure.

Fred
I think Fred is close to summing it up.

I've always loved animals of all sorts and have always been something of an amateur naturalist. Growing up on a farm, I've had all kinds of pets, wild and domestic, terrariums and aquariums and animal husbandry projects. Life without a couple dogs around would be odd to me, and we always keep a few laying hens that are as much pets as they are anything else. Animal behavior and the way nature works are some of the most interesting and fascinating things there are to me.

I've worked for local wildlife rescue services and given quite a bit to helping preserve wildlife, including buying and using a hunting license every year. I also work to improve habitat and support wildlife on my own property. In the winter, we feed wild birds that would normally live on the weed seeds found in the fallow fields and brushy tracts of "wasteland" that disappear with housing developments daily. I'll stop the car to move a confused snake or turtle off the road, and yet I hunt. Oddly enough, some folks can't make sense of this seemingly contradictory behavior - to deeply care about wildlife and still be capable of killing.

As with farming and any other sort of animal husbandry, wildlife management has numerous facets. One ultimately recognizes that death is always a part of life. Livestock is bred to be harvested, and butchering steers, rabbits and chickens, however distasteful, is a necessary part of farm life. So is picking vegetables and cutting hay. Wildlife populations often need control, and hunting is one very humane way to accomplish this.

To my way of looking at hunting, the overall experience is the reward, and harvesting a game animal is really not the most important point, simply a necessary part of it. Without my love and appreciation of nature, I would not have the patience to walk the woods or sit and wait, and much of the enjoyment of hunting comes with the intensity of observation of the natural world that is only possible when one becomes a part of it.

Like Fred, I too believe that most '"animal lovers" that oppose hunting and farming simply do not put forth the efforts that most hunter/conservationists do. They usually fail to understand the world around them, living in some kind of idealistic Walt Disney illusion, and fail to understand what life, and death, really is.

Without truly understanding the effects of their actions, they throw a token check in the mail to support misguided organizations, so they can congratulate themselves on doing "something". This check is a fraction of what portion of my license fees go toward scientific management, a fraction of the revenue generated by the Pittman-Robertson fund (11% tax of our equipment and supplies) does for habitat, and they proclaim themselves "supporters" that "protect" wildlife from those who would hunt and/or scientifically manage wildlife.

The outfits they encourage with their individually small, but collectively large, donations spend the money on generous (staggering) corporate salaries (http://www.worldtwitch.com/animal_charities_2001.htm ), flattering publicity, membership drives, impeding logical management efforts and fostering harassment programs on all levels. They would prefer overpopulations of animals to starve and die of disease in a weakened state than to allow humane harvest and sensible control of the prey animal populations that, in the absence of predators, will not remain in check. They increase animal suffering, live in a cartoon fantasy world and call themselves "animal lovers".

So, yes, I hunt AND love nature/animals.
 
Just because I am a firearm enthusiast and a hunter doesn't mean I hate animals. I fish but I don't have a general hatred for the fish I catch.

Hunters do more for wildlife conservation each and every year than every "Wildlife Conservation" group combined and we do it will putting meat on the table.

Think about it, if a hunter expects his/her children or grandchildren to be able to hunt, we have to keep the populations going. Over population is one of the biggest killers in the animal kingdom where urbanization has happened.

The reason for this is that when people move into a wooded area and start building they have a tendency to kill off the "predator" or scary animals but leave the "prey" alone. Over population happens and diseases run wild in those species. Hunting those "prey" species keeps the herd in check and the hunters are essentially providing "natural selection".

I wouldn't consider myself an animal lover, as I relate the term animal lover to the people crying about chickens being killed for food or deer being killed for trophy. I see nothing wrong with either. Torturing animals is morally wrong and should be viewed as legally wrong but killing an animal quickly and humanely is not torture.

To further clarify on the "Killing a deer for the trophy." Some people seem to be very confused on this topic. When a legal hunter steps into the woods looking for that "Trophy" buck, he is looking to fell a big deer. Now, some people just go ahead and assume that this means that the hunter is going to shoot the big deer, find it, cut its head off and leave the carcass to waste. This is absolutely not the case. A legal and moral hunter may kill for the size of the rack but the meat will be used regardless. Even if the hunter already has plenty deer meat in his freezer the meat will be used. Giving the meat to a friend is one thing that happens alot. I hunt, although most of the time unsuccessfully and I have friends that give me fresh deer meat almost every season. Normally these are folks that have already killed a few deer and the meat would simply go to waste in their freezer.

There is a lot that P.e.t.a. supporters could learn if they would open their eyes a bit, slow down their mouth's and listen to an ethical hunter for a second.
 
Hoplophile said:
I love guns and I love animals. I don't shoot animals, though I'd like to go hunting (I consider it kinder than eating something that was cruelly caged its entire unnatural life).

I'd say most hunters like animals.


HK G3 said:
I love animals, hunt as well.

Can't stand to see those commercials with the abused animals though, makes me sick to my stomach. Part of the reason I hunt is it's far more humane than factory farming... Healthier too.

These posts represent my views as well. I am both an animal lover and gun lover. I won't kill anything I don't have to.

That said, I've always felt I should learn how to hunt and prepare an animal to be eaten in case I am ever in a survival-type situation. I come from a family of gun owners, but not hunters, so I don't even know where I would go to learn.
 
I enjoy guns and wildlife. I do not hunt. Most of my friends do. Since i shoot with them all the time, they wonder why i don't hunt and don't come when invited(very rare). In theory i have no problem with it at all, including problem animals like coyotes, and prarie dogs. In practice, i like having never killed anything and being able to say my "dangerous" guns have never even hurt anything. One might even accuse me of being an environmentalist, but that would clash with my love of tractor pulls and drag racing.

I'm also a meatatarian, so maybe this all make me a hypocrite. Oh well, i'll probably continue eating meat, shooting, and not hunting for a long time to come.
 
I enjoy nature but have not hunted in almost 30 years yet I am indeed a gun enthusiast... just with a limited collection on a limited budget!

What I shoot these days are paper targets for practice and critters that pose a threat to the horses or pets. In this area that would be woodchucks or any critter that digs bigazz holes on my property or feral dogs especially if in a pack. I have not hesitated to shoot in that situation and it does not come close to keeping me awake at night.

As far as being an "animal lover," in general I'd have to say yes but not in an extremist way. I have absolutely nothing against anyone that hunts and eats what they harvest, in fact I respect them, it's just not for me at this time of my life.
 
I'm not an animal lover by any means, but I do have a certain respect. I'm not going to go out and kill everything I can just because. Dogs seem to love me for some reason. I'm not sure why, maybe I have a smell they like.

I hunt deer for food

I hunt hogs for food

I dove hunt for food

I rabbit hunt for food

I trap hogs for the extra money

I hunt coyotes for the privilege to hunt for other animals on the landowners property.

I've probably shot just about every species of animal native to Texas at one point in time or another. Whenever I've had to shoot a non-game animal, it has been for a justifiable reason.
 
I'm a biologist and I like guns. I don't hunt and don't know if I ever would, but I respect hunting for food as it's more humane than paying a factory farm to kill animals for you, and it's probably more ecologically sound than even small-scale farming. And it's a useful wildlife management tool, since we've already messed up the population dynamics of predators and prey in this country and have to keep things in check ourselves as a result. I do know people who are adamantly anti-hunting who give quite a lot of time and money to groups like the Nature Conservancy and wildlife rescue/rehabilitation groups, and do other things for conservation, but they're probably in the minority.
 
Heck, I love guns and I love animals.

However, I don't eat guns and I don't shoot animals.


Just my personal preference. YMMV.

:)
 
I think the poem by Otto von Riesenthal (on the bottle of every Jägermeister) sums it up:

It is the hunter’s honour that he
Protects and preserves his game,
Hunts sportsmanlike, honours the
Creator in His creatures.
 
I'm not an "animal lover." I can't stand dog or cats in the house. I tolerate them because my wife likes them. It wouldn't bother me one bit if we never had another one. Dogs have their place outside, but I wouldn't have one myself if I had to feed it and take care of it. I really don't care about cats one way or the other. I wouldn't shoot one just to shoot one, but if a truly feral one took to hanging around the place..

I like to hunt and fish. I especially like to squirrel hunt. One of the nice things about squirrel hunting (actually any hunting, but I'll use squirrels as an example) is not having to kill anything to enjoy it. For example the season is open now and I've been a few times. I have yet to pull a trigger. I've had a number of them behind the crosshairs and thought to myself "BANG...gotcha" but I didn't feel like skinning them and cleaning them that day. I haven't deer hunted in years, but would if I wanted to. Same goes for most any other animal that was legal to take.

I don't have to kill an animal to hunt it. I have to have the opportunity to kill it to have hunted. So just going out in the woods and watching the birds and the bunnies don't cut it. That's watching birds and bunnies, not hunting. Rather or not I choose to pull the trigger is my decision, and I really cannot tell you how I come to that decision. Sometimes the gun goes "bang" and sometimes it doesn't. Simple as that.
 
Maybe animal lovers SHOULD be hunters?

If you're a deer, you'd rather--
starve and freeze to death one harsh winter?
get hit by a car?
get a little older and slower so the coyotes finally get you?
over-populate an area, eat gardens, and breed Lyme disease ticks (before suffering one of the demises above), as the pro-Bambi government sadly pronounces that nothing can be done?
or, just after a good rut, never even hear the shot that takes you out?

Add to that how much of taxes on rifles, ammo, license fees, etc. gets fed back (or is supposed to get fed back) to preserving animal habitat.

Look at Africa--those areas that have trophy game hunting: there is an economic incentive to protect the animals from poaching in order to preserve the business of high trophy fees, so populations are preserved. Where hunting is forbidden, the animals have value to only poachers whose chief obstacle is the under-paid gov't employee who's supposed to discourage the (better armed) poacher. Successful "photograph safari" areas are the exception rather than the rule--unless they're large enough to sustain their own predator populations, then culling of animals is necessary (but hunting would be bad).

We've seen many examples of areas in Africa where the government was responsible for preventing poaching--and then the gov't went on the fritz for a couple of years. Animal populations were devastated.

If you've trophy hunted in Africa, you know that while you may bring home only a portion of the animal, the whole animal gets used locally--and is an important part of the local economy.

And no one understands better than hunters the need to maintain habitats and ecologies.

There's lots of ways to love animals and to help the environment. Hunting is one of them.

(And feeling a little sad for a moment after you recover a beautiful animal? I hope you never lose that, and I expect you never will.)
 
I used to hunt..

I hunted large game in Montana for a looong time. I also hunted prairie poodles and gophers. We ate the large game and the poodles et al. were left for the eagles, owls and coyotes.

I was raised on a ranch and pretty much ate venison, elk and moose my whole life. I also dont have any compunction about whacking a prairie rat.

You haven't lived until you are knee deep in a swamp, gutting a moose.

Also, if anyone knows a great place to hunt prairie rats in CO, let me know.
 
EVERYTHING gets eaten

Including you and me. Do you think the buzzards have some moral quandry over the dead prairie dog feast they're left? Or the magots? Preditors kill and that's what you are.
 
It is naive to think that on a board this size you won't find folks that shoot but don't hunt and folks that shoot and do hunt and even hunters that will or won't hunt certain species. It's like assuming farmers who raise animals for slaughter to feed the suburban masses somehow don't have pets that they treat like family or that hunters don't lavish affection on their hunting dogs.

My wife hunts, but I don't. I don't see any problem with it, I just haven't had the desire.

Do we have pets that we treat like members of the family? Sure we do.

If you really want to know, start a well constructed poll.
 
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are there any people out there that are animal lovers AND gun lovers?

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i like to hunt, but i only shoot animals that i can eat. i hear a lot of people on this board talking about hunting coyotes and bears and other "non-edible" game. i'm not judging, but personally i couldn't do it.

does anyone on this board share my point of view or am i in the minority?---AgainstTheGrane

(1) It doesn't make sense, to say that one LOVES, either guns or animals, in the general sense, because you do not qualify what LOVES means.

If to LOVE is not to eat, then you could claim that you LOVE people simply because you don't eat them. In fact, you could hate many people, but not eat them. That hardly serves to mean that you LOVE people.

(2) You cannot argue that you LOVE animals, only because you eat certain animals and not other animals, or only kill certain animals to eat, and won't kill or eat others. I don't rob banks or trains, but it doesn't serve as proof that I love either

(3) Your term "NON-EDIBLE" is not precise. One can eat predators. Their flesh is muscle, regardless of the taste, they are EDIBLE

(4) Your question as to whether your views are in the minority or majority might only serve to indicate the commonality of views or lack thereof. It doesn't serve as a rational justification for any view. So in that sense, even if you are in the minority view, it doesn't mean that you are either Right or Wrong.

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In the end, your proposition becomes a general question as to the morality of killing animals that one does not intend to eat. It is a very broad and complex issue, and personal sentiments rather than reason usually predominate.

The deeper issue beyond your question, is the proposition, not whether it is MORAL; but whether it is LEGAL. It is LEGAL.

/:)
 
But, I do LUV animals- as I have three dogs, and a 25 lb. Siamese cat~!

Ala Dan, is this him?

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:D

But on a more serious note: I love animals. I grew up around cats (parents never owned any dogs). I can respect hunters, I just haven't ever been hunting. I'd like to go sometime, but my work schedule hasn't permitted it (joined the USAF at 18, was assigned to Japan as my first base (no guns), and just got back from there last year. I mostly use my firearms for my monthly range trips, and if need be, defending myself and my wife.
 
I enjoy animals and guns. I'm also a vegetarian. I don't hunt because I wouldn't put the animal to use. I don't have any problem with hunting, I just don't see the point if I'm not going to eat it after I shoot it.
 
So far there is only one animal that I flat out HATE. Possum.
Don't really know why, never had one attack me or anything, I just HATE the damned things!
 


I'm a gun owner, hunter and animal lover - fried, baked, what ever.

I enjoy watching does box, birds flit about and coyotes and bears. I'll shoot dogs and cats roaming the ranch long before I'll shoot a coyote.


 
I like to shoot. I don't like to kill. I only kill when my family needs to eat, when an animal is seriously injured and unlikely to survive, or when an animal is a danger to those around me.

When I must shoot, it is my duty to shoot accurately and kill cleanly.

That is the other reason that I must practice.
 
I don't like hunting, but I love animals and guns.

I really can't kill most animals (I say 'most' because I have no problem hitting a 30-lb catfish on the head with a hammer before I clean it:uhoh:)
 
Fish to frogs, squirrel to bear, they are all meat for the pot. Like most dogs, horses, mules and cows better than I like their owners. Nothing against cats, I'm just allergic to them and they bother my birds. I have 8 bird feeders on my porch, I built my wrap around porch specifically to handle the bird feeders and don't even think about taking my guns from me. Some of my best moments while deer hunting were when I had a Chipmunk with his paws on the toe of my boot looking up at the chickadee perched on my hat brim. Thats when you feel like you are really part of nature.
 
i do my hunting at stop and shop. stalking the slippery tofu in the cold ; cornering the red baron in the frozen arena. ice fishing behind glass. i can tell by the spilt honey that there was bear activity in aisle 4 recently. dress is important--good high boots will help deflect the wild carts from nipping your heels. vigilance must remain high even after the hunt is over for as you return to your transportation there are many other hunters coming and going--some not knowing if they are the hunter or the hunted.

and yes, i love animals and children.....properly prepared their delicious
 
My guns are mechanical toys. Gadgets I love to tinker with, ingenious designs and excellent craftsmanship. I don't hunt, but have no problem with competent and ethical hunters. Since people have killed off so many predators, somebody needs to take over their job and keep the herbivores in balance.

I do have an ethical problem with people who kill things which aren't threatening them and which they will not eat. Living things of ALL sorts have lives of their own and were put here by the same power which created people. Each one has a place in our world and should be respected. If you want to play predator, be a real predator and kill for food or in self defense. Otherwise, you are simply exterminating other creatures to feed your own warped ego.

I grew up in Los Angeles and knew too many 'mighty hunters' who went out every year to do the male bonding trip. Got blind drunk for a few days, shot at sounds in the bushes, crippled a deer when they got lucky, and maybe brought back a trophy or a few pounds of meat. These guys were so disgusting I still have no personal interest in hunting.
 
Every hunter I've known is an animal lover. Dogs, cats, horses, and all various pets. Some of the biggest hunters/fishers I know absolutely love animals and don't just kill them, but also appreciate them for their beauty and purpose alive.

I think what you mean to ask is if there are Gun Lovers and Non-Hunters.
 
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