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Are we beta testing the Ruger lcp Max?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by defjon, Aug 2, 2021.

  1. defjon

    defjon Member

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    Or is it good to go?

    First new gun to peak my interest in awhile. But I'm reading about take down pins walking, failure to lock slide back, accuracy issues etc.

    I've seen a few forum members that have one. If you're richly blessed with 380 range ammo, how are they behaving?

    Just wondering if I should wait for a year and get the Ruger lcp Max 2 that comes with 13 round flush fit, even smaller measurements, redesigned take-down and recoil spring etc (you know it's coming).
     
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  2. Buckeye63

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    Mine runs great …one 10rd and two 12rd mags
    No problems …great little pistol

    I don’t see a 13rd flush fit mag .. coming out …
     
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  3. WestKentucky

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    Max 9 is the one that intrigues me, but for the same reasons as mentioned, I’m really not interested yet.
     
  4. Zendude

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    If you wait a year for a Max 2, then you would be beta testing those changes too. Hard to win when models change frequently.
     
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  5. TarDevil

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    Pretty sure I'll add this one fairly soon. Not worried about major issues; not like it's an all new pistol.
     
  6. The Last Outlaw

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    My philosophy is to wait a year or so to buy a new gun that comes out. I feel like lots of companies push things out too early, making us beta testers by default.
     
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  7. Rule3

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    I want one, I need one! :what:

    Hard to find local, found a few online. Seems $380.00 is the going rate, for the 380:)
    Need to at least fondle one before ordering. I carry my LCP V2 daily.
     
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  8. MedWheeler

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    I am. I've posted two threads on mine, an OOB impression, and first range report. Yes, I have the slide not locking back with the 10-round magazine issue, though it locks back every time with the optional 12-rounder in place. Ruger has already offered to send another magazine to try.

    I have been carrying the gun lately, in the same BU role that my P32 has filled for ten years now, and sometimes as an "only gun" around the house.
     
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  9. huntsman

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    I wouldn’t consider it a test because it’s a continuation of current production, who knows how long this has been in the pipeline.
     
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  10. MedWheeler

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    Rule3 writes:

    The serial numbers on mine and the other two Bass Pro had when I bought it begin with "380." I don't know if all their LCP guns have such numbers because I've never had an LCP before.
     
  11. JCooperfan1911

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    From all reports, seems like a half baked joke of a carry gun at the moment.

    I'll be avoiding it.
     
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  12. Kleanbore

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    "All reports"? No.
     
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  13. Buckeye63

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    I really haven’t seen many negative comments with the little LCP MAX .. but it's definitely not for everybody … I think the slide not holding open on the 10rd mags ..has to do with the follower ..
    @over 250rds with mixed ammo .. mine has been perfect .. but thats just 250 rounds
    Certainly not close to the problems the SIG P365 when it was first introduced … and now it’s known for its reliability ..
     
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  14. JCooperfan1911

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    Perhaps it is so, Buckeye.
     
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    Russians took 12 years to perfect the AK. Trials started in 1945, the AK (Type 1) was accepted into inventory in 1947. The definitive AK - the AKM - arrived in 1959. If Ruger followed a similar schedule, we'd be seeing at a reliable LCP MAX in 2028, and a perfected version in 2033.

    Coincidentally, Glock was having problems with the model 42 locking back prematurely in 2014. It took them a long time to resolve it, more than a year. At first they thought it was just a tolerance stacking and replaced components by warranty to the same ones. Next, they tried a new slide stop. Finally, they realized that a design change was necessary and ironically the original slide stops were just fine. In the same time, they revised magazines 3 times (originals had no revision, then came 01, 02, and finally the final version, the 03). Feeding .380 is not as easy as it looks, even if it's a fairly plain rimless pistol cartridge. Its case does not even have a taper.

    The complaints about "users as beta testers" always seem arising out of ignorance to me. As it happens, I started a small firm that makes gun parts and accessories. I learned very quick that it literally is impossible to foresee the issues customers are going to have in their guns. Now of course a large company like Ruger has the resources to make more test guns than I could ever dream of fielding, but even so they will not be able to catch all issues, even seemingly basic ones like a paw of slide stop missing a magazine follower.
     
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  16. DTL

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    If the Max is getting reported failure to lock back issues, it's nothing new. My LCPII is coming back tomorrow from NC repair for that very thing. Inconsistent function with both 6 & 7 round Ruger mags, and yes, they are the LCPII versions, not the original LCP's. I would hope a complete work order will come with the gun to see what they actually did about it. Somewhat skeptical since they received it last Thursday and notified me on Friday work was complete. Very fast turn around of a week IF it's resolved.
     
  17. defjon

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    I think the comment about users as beta testers being ignorant seems a bit ignorant. I remember new designs being released successfully.

    In the last few decades I think a step seems skipped for some manufacturers. Is it so impossible to have several different field tests under various conditions running lots of rounds down range?

    The hellcat launched with 10k plus round continuous fire torture tests. It seemed to have less issues than the 365 on launch. Nothing is perfect.

    But does it not seem that companies tend to lean on generous warranty and return policies versus getting it (mostly) right the first time?

    Even going back to the British proof testing and stamping, this used to be standard.

    Now it seems wise to give it a year when a new design is released (p238, p938, 365 etc) Ruger changed to striker fire for lc9, glock seemed start rushing products to market with the gen 4 etc.

    I'm very interested in the lcp Max to sub for a j frame. More than double the capacity and still lighter! But just not sure if it's good to go. Hearing reports of failure to lock slide, take down pin walking, accuracy issues etc.

    Yeah Ruger has good customer service but is she half baked or ready to serve?
     
  18. Tirod

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    This ^^^^

    The tempo of introducing new models has increased. Testing models extensively before release has been shortened to keep up with competition. We aint got no time fo dat. All new models are beta and new owners are the testers as far as the buying public is concerned.

    The next question is, why are so many jumping thru hoops to own the latest new version at all? Wasn't their last choice well considered, with research, knowledge, the initial issues solved, etc. I bought a p365 three years after it's introduction, we are finally getting a reasonable number of holsters and accessories on the market to support it. Except the Blackhawk Stache mag carriers, still waiting. There are rarely accessories when new, owners are left to scrounge, and too frequently use incorrect holsters which are a known hazard now as they are often implicated as the real reason "MY GUN WENT OFF ALL BY ITSELF!"

    Just sayin - It takes a lot of practice, time, and carry to finally settle on your best setup, then, off to the closet and we start all over again accepting something new we don't have good muscle memory for nor the correct safety accessory, Mr. Holster. MOST of the new owners do ok, because we aren't in gunfights weekly, and the lack of shooting a new gun 10K rounds the first year is common. We never push the edge of the envelope, but by the time 18 - 24 months are passed, we do know the problems on a large scale.

    Flipping guns frequently and having a lot in rotation isn't a goal to be an accomplished shooter, it's a drawback. Yet the internet influencers will tell you that is what we should be doing, and for the most part they have been playing that tune on their flute while dancing us merrily down the road to the next seduction of our income and time.

    If we approached this as picking a firearm we would use for the next ten years, then we'd actually see a significant improvement by the time we chose the next one that had been on the market for at least two years. Choosing a new one every season - you've read those owners posts - to keep up for whatever reason, isn't a recipe for success. It's the same as buying a new Swiss Dive watch every 6 months, then what do you hear? Dang watch is never running when it's time to rotate one of the 37 I have - automatic ran down, but quartz is stupid.

    Who are we letting play us? Look at the current trend - custom grips, new ported slides, RMR cuts, another $200 for the optic, churn that market churn that market. A $499 pistol becomes a $900 custom carry piece only suitable for range use, yet, those are the only ones shown on blogs and pics in forums, Not reliable no snag daily carry that gets the patina of long use and few gunfights. The real guns of America.

    Keeping a Brand up front in the face of shooters thru the media isn't cheap, the costs of advertising at the leading edge are included in the price. And having eternally loyal fans posting on the forums defending their choice at all costs is part of it. If there are complete channels streaming on the internet of influencers hawking goods, a few bucks spread around on the forums can accomplish a lot. Denying it isn't done is the real deception and it's done by major brands around the world. It's all part of the show, now.

    That money doesn't go into ammo to run 100k thru a first article production prototype to see what last few things need fixed - you get to do that now. Customer Service is already part of the overhead and fixing a new gun with new parts already on hand - think about it. Budgeted and funded from the retail price. There are some economic realities with that - the folks who say that every possible defect should be found and fixed before release aren't totally wrong, until they insist a $500 gun has to be that way. Nope, that gun would cost a lot closer to $900 to find the last one or two little problems that would only crop up after 50% of its life was consumed. Like a Glock model with slide cracking at 40k, not 90k, which is unacceptable in fleet use.

    Not many will consider this advice, not many had an older adult male in their household, and the long term experience isn't getting handed down. If anything, youth typically ignores it - until they finally confront the issue themselves. At that point they go thru the cycle of denial etc until they circle back to "I guess the old man was right all along." Of course we were, we survived our mistakes and are still here, just the same as Swine Flu survivors who never got to mask, were required to work every day, regardless, and who now scoff at the current sniffle. Ask me how I know.

    I've likely bought my last 9mm, and in ten years there still won't really be a gamechanger, that happend in 1954 with the S&W M39, 1984 with the polymer Glock, and 2014 with the P320 separate FCU. It will likely be sooner than another 30 years, but there is the true timeline of significant game changers in LEO and civilian autos. I'd like to be shooting in 2044, but it won't be the next new gamechanger. I'm not going to beta test it at age 91 I'll be that old boomerfudd who is still carrying an old beat up P365 with rusty 10 round mags and no 1-6 LPVO mounted on it. Dumb ol fart.

    And then it will be the younger guys turn a few years later. What comes around goes around.
     
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  19. The Last Outlaw

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    There have been many firearms released that had issues, the guy above pointed some out. The simple fact is, the manufacturers rush things out so they can have a new gun on the market, some have issues that should have been caught in factory testing.
     
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  20. defjon

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    Man, I really like your post!

    And I agree. My guns have settled into the working few I've known and have decades with. Any additions I would like it to become one of those, in time.

    I like the idea of such a small light 12 round 380. Lot lighter and smaller even then the 365. And even an airweight (the small gun I have the most time spent on). Not wanting disposable fads. I think the Max could be special.
     
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  21. MedWheeler

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    Tirod writes:

    I do. I see him in the mirror every morning when I shave. I may not be as old as many, but I'm a lot older than many others.

    BTDT. Likely caught it at work (EMS.) Left mid-shift to my employer's clinic, got the Dx and the Rx (Tamiflu.) Sick for maybe three days. Yeah, I scoff (cautiously.)

    I see some progression even there. Did you start out on the Model 10, or a 1911? The one firearm I can say I've had the most training specifically on is the Model 67. I'm glad to have progressed from that. It's an excellent weapon, and I shot it very well, but it's not especially suited to my current mission.

    I agree that, when we do consider a new defensive-handgun purchase, we should know what we're looking for, what it will bring to the table that is not brought by any of our current options, and how we're going to test it, and ourselves with it. For the MAX, it's not much of a learning curve for anyone who has been using an LCP-II, but it could be for someone who has been using an LCP or a .38 snub.

    What did your P365 replace, or what was it purchased to replace?
     
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  22. Rule3

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    Because it's not a 45 acp?
     
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    I like trying new technology. Besides, what passes for research these days is reviewing anonymous forum posts or a bunch of YouTube videos by people who get free guns and ammo and rarely call out a dog. If something sounds like the next big thing, it fills some niche in which I am interested, and the price is right, I will try it. It's not like buying an expensive car, and I can recover most of the cost if I decide to get rid of it. So, I do my own research.

    I thought that the LCP Max sounded too good to be true. While it is a decent gun and probably a step-up for people who already like or carry the LCP II, it does not meet my requirements. My view is that the YouTuber gurus must be super shooters to master this little gun with decent splits out beyond 7 yards, and that most forum posters don't expect much more than that, either. (I realize that some are in environments where they must be very discreet and accept an inadequate firearm and all of its limitations as an alternative to no firearm.)

    My perception from seeing lots of people at the range on a regular basis and from reading forum posts is that most owners do OK because they never get in gunfights ever, and only rarely get in situations where they draw a conclusion that they actually may need to use their firearms. Most owners will never fire 10K in centerfire handgun ammo in a lifetime, and the smaller the gun, the less ammo it will see.

    Like you, I don't believe in gun rotations for the sake of variety or switching out carry guns just for kicks. I also shoot a lot of rounds through a gun before switching. After that, almost all of my time and ammo goes into shooting the carry guns. At the same time, I am not nostalgic and I don't mind switching if I find that something newer better suits my needs. Because of Internet posts, I did wait about 10 months before buying a P365, and it has been my most carried pistol for almost 3 years. I also picked up a P365XL. (I am working with a red dot sight on that one; cool new technology.) But, if something better comes along, I would move on without hesitation.

    Just a different perspective. Take care.
     
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    I'm interested but for a limited role. It would replace my Bodyguard 380 used as a go to the doctor gun or discreet carry at parties etc.
     
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  25. Pistolay

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    I have a pair of the Max's, which rotate as my EDCs. They're excellent pistols, although they take practice to shoot well, at least for me. One has 385 rounds and the other 225 rounds, with 7 mags between them, and I've never experienced any of the lock back issues that I've read about.

    I look forward to a lot or range time with them.
     
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