Well, don't buy things you have no interest in just because they might be banned...maybe buy things you have an interest in that might be banned or otherwise restricted.
Are we in a golden age or a drought
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Well, don't buy things you have no interest in just because they might be banned...maybe buy things you have an interest in that might be banned or otherwise restricted.
Red Wind
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jeff-10 said:
A fine sensible post. Thank you. I am with you, All the Way!
Golden Age for firearms and reloading ammo'
I was given a new Rem slide action 22 RF in 1949 and purchased a new Win Mdl 70 270 Win in 1952. In the town I grew up by 22n RF HP ammo was $0.45 a box. 270 Win ammo was around $ 3.50 a box of 20. The centerfire ammo was not very accurate. In 1953 I started reloading but I had to go some 100 miles to Cheyenne Wyo to get reloading tools, powder ,primers, and bullets. I talked to a gunsmith about reloading and developed some 100 and 130 grain bullet reloads that grouped 100 Yd sub one inch 5 shot groups. Now days all I have to do is get on the computer order any firearm and have it delivered to my home town gun store. Reloading supplies come to my home. I dont need to get reloading books ,all I need to do is get on the inter net...Boy, are we lucky to live in the Golden AGE. By the way I took pronghorn, mule deer, and elk with that old 130 GR reload...
I was given a new Rem slide action 22 RF in 1949 and purchased a new Win Mdl 70 270 Win in 1952. In the town I grew up by 22n RF HP ammo was $0.45 a box. 270 Win ammo was around $ 3.50 a box of 20. The centerfire ammo was not very accurate. In 1953 I started reloading but I had to go some 100 miles to Cheyenne Wyo to get reloading tools, powder ,primers, and bullets. I talked to a gunsmith about reloading and developed some 100 and 130 grain bullet reloads that grouped 100 Yd sub one inch 5 shot groups. Now days all I have to do is get on the computer order any firearm and have it delivered to my home town gun store. Reloading supplies come to my home. I dont need to get reloading books ,all I need to do is get on the inter net...Boy, are we lucky to live in the Golden AGE. By the way I took pronghorn, mule deer, and elk with that old 130 GR reload...
Match14
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As someone who is younger and got into firearms during the AWB years, I consider us to be in a GoldenAge for sure. Both the end of the Ban and the Internet has changed the landscape.
For example if you want a rare model firearm, you can likely find it for sale on the internet such as gunbroker, whereas in the past you had to go to gunshows or auctions/gunshops/Shotgun News and hope you saw one there.
The only downside is stuff costs more now particularly surplus firearms & ammo.
For example if you want a rare model firearm, you can likely find it for sale on the internet such as gunbroker, whereas in the past you had to go to gunshows or auctions/gunshops/Shotgun News and hope you saw one there.
The only downside is stuff costs more now particularly surplus firearms & ammo.
uh, are you sure about that?
ColoradoShooter77
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I was more than satisfied with just having my S&W M&P Sport, up until this last Memorial Day. Palmetto put on a huge sale with free shipping, I ended up with a complete AR-15 for $500 in my hands.....way too good to pass up!
So now I have two, lol. I'm not concerned with any future bans.
I've been buying bullets from RMR like a mo-fo, $80/1000 for quality 55 grain FMJ's....can't beat it!
The DNC put the hi-cap mag ban in their platform, I'm not worried. I've got a stack of P-mag's, 20 and 30 rounders.
So now I have two, lol. I'm not concerned with any future bans.
I've been buying bullets from RMR like a mo-fo, $80/1000 for quality 55 grain FMJ's....can't beat it!
The DNC put the hi-cap mag ban in their platform, I'm not worried. I've got a stack of P-mag's, 20 and 30 rounders.
That seems short sighted and selfish.
Not to mention that, eventually, after banning with grandfather clause, we all know the next step is to register them and prohibit transfers and then request they all be turned in.
Ed Ames
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Or just ban 'em outright.
California had grandfathered normal capacity magazines until the most recent legislative session. However, their governor recently signed an outright ban, so no more "pre-ban" magazines for them.
You're a young man Colorado, just think if all those who came before figured the heck with the next folks, you'd have nothing.
If younger folks don't pick up the fight, the antis have won already, all they have to do is be patient.
If younger folks don't pick up the fight, the antis have won already, all they have to do is be patient.
larryh1108
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I think the problem with a new president of the female persuasion will be the ammo. I think they've seen that trying to take away our guns will be a huge struggle. They (Dems) will allow a state-by-state evisceration of our gun rights. However, they will attack the ammo supply. I believe they will attempt to stop internet sales/shipping of ammo. I also believe they will tax ammo and "claim" the money will go to help "victims of gun violence". Like the tax on cigarettes is used for research and health care for smokers. Right.
If the are successful, they will tax ammo to make it harder to buy and they will also try to get ammo sales to go thru FFLs so they can track who buys what. I'm guessing they will ask for 10¢ a round and "settle" for 5¢ a round. That means a 500ct brick will be taxed $25. They tried micro stamping and it failed. A gun is useless without ammo and they know it. They will go after the ammo if they get in.
So, to answer the OP, we are in a golden age of choices, new designs, relatively cheap prices and millions and millions more new shooters. It is, however, the darkness before the dawn. Don't take it for granted. The Dems want our guns and will do whatever it takes to neuter them. The Golden Age is about to get ugly, fast.
If the are successful, they will tax ammo to make it harder to buy and they will also try to get ammo sales to go thru FFLs so they can track who buys what. I'm guessing they will ask for 10¢ a round and "settle" for 5¢ a round. That means a 500ct brick will be taxed $25. They tried micro stamping and it failed. A gun is useless without ammo and they know it. They will go after the ammo if they get in.
So, to answer the OP, we are in a golden age of choices, new designs, relatively cheap prices and millions and millions more new shooters. It is, however, the darkness before the dawn. Don't take it for granted. The Dems want our guns and will do whatever it takes to neuter them. The Golden Age is about to get ugly, fast.
Ed Ames
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I must admit I'm really surprised by the uniformity of opinion.
I get the whole "you can get anything you want" angle, but then a) I can't, and B) I see online retailers pulling tricks to make it look like they have more selection than they do.
If I go to buy a laptop, no retailer has a separate entry for each one in inventory. Amazon doesn't show a listing for every guitar they have in a warehouse somewhere. But a lot of gun sellers do...if they have five model number 12345s in stock, they show five distinct products even though they are all identical.
So when I look at gunbroker and search for a cz75bd and get 5 hits, I see that as five unique guns and...what, 5,000,000 active gun buyers? There is one in inventory per million potential customers. That seems very thin stock to me. And I know that's not the most popular gun or anything, but that's my point. There are plenty of the most common guns, but once you step even slightly off the beaten path....
It is not as bad as it was three years ago, but that's like saying the economy is better than it was during the great depression. It is hard not to be better than that, and beating the worst doesn't mean you are good.
I get the whole "you can get anything you want" angle, but then a) I can't, and B) I see online retailers pulling tricks to make it look like they have more selection than they do.
If I go to buy a laptop, no retailer has a separate entry for each one in inventory. Amazon doesn't show a listing for every guitar they have in a warehouse somewhere. But a lot of gun sellers do...if they have five model number 12345s in stock, they show five distinct products even though they are all identical.
So when I look at gunbroker and search for a cz75bd and get 5 hits, I see that as five unique guns and...what, 5,000,000 active gun buyers? There is one in inventory per million potential customers. That seems very thin stock to me. And I know that's not the most popular gun or anything, but that's my point. There are plenty of the most common guns, but once you step even slightly off the beaten path....
It is not as bad as it was three years ago, but that's like saying the economy is better than it was during the great depression. It is hard not to be better than that, and beating the worst doesn't mean you are good.
CoalTrain49
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I purchased my first firearm before the 68 GCA. Came in the mail with 50 rounds of ammo. All I had to do was sign for it. Plenty of surplus rifles and pistols out there for a song and ammo was relatively cheap.
Everything these days seems to be relatively more expensive, or maybe I haven't kept up in my career path. Lots more available these days so I would say things are better than 1968. You just have to work a little harder to get it. I hate working.
Everything these days seems to be relatively more expensive, or maybe I haven't kept up in my career path.
Lots more available these days so I would say things are better than 1968. You just have to work a little harder to get it. I hate working.AlexanderA
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larryh1108 wrote:
That's just one of many "gun control" avenues that will be pursued. Ammo restrictions, additional categories of "prohibited persons," state-level prohibitions, insurance requirements, you name it. The idea is to make gun ownership as difficult and onerous as possible. The gun grabbers know that to achieve their dream of a gun-free America, they have to attack the "gun culture" even more than the actual guns. The guns themselves will be irrelevant if nobody is interested in them.
That's just one of many "gun control" avenues that will be pursued. Ammo restrictions, additional categories of "prohibited persons," state-level prohibitions, insurance requirements, you name it. The idea is to make gun ownership as difficult and onerous as possible. The gun grabbers know that to achieve their dream of a gun-free America, they have to attack the "gun culture" even more than the actual guns. The guns themselves will be irrelevant if nobody is interested in them.
That's why we have to be involved in our political future by voting, writing letters, educating friends & family, etc.
But if the day comes that we cannot exercise those rights, I expect I'll be bleeding out in the back of a hastily armored pickup truck in an effort to keep those Rights.
Jeff-10
Are you saying the possibility of gun control laws being enacted is nonsense? Because let me tell you, it was only by the intense bombardment of emails, letters and phone calls to our representatives in Washington that we narrowly avoided several gun control Bills being passed. Some States DID have them pass and now cannot own your standard AR-15. What's going on right now in Massachussetts is a good example.
stonecutter2
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Illinois has had a great few years for gun rights. I suppose you could consider it a golden age, perhaps. We now have concealed carry, which was denied for far too long. And if you have a C&R, you can even register a SBR. I can buy just about any sort of firearm I would want, so I don't feel that things are bad here. There are only a couple things that still bug me:
Silencers: Would be nice to ditch the cans and keep noise pollution down. For some reason these are still banned in IL, but it's ok I guess. I've heard there have been some attempts to pass legislation to get beyond this though.
FOID card: Needing a special card to buy firearms or ammo is kind of annoying. However, I do like the aspect of running a buyer's FOID # through Illinois State Police to make sure they're clear before doing a private transfer. Lets me know they're on the up and up before any money is exchanged, no obligation.
Silencers: Would be nice to ditch the cans and keep noise pollution down. For some reason these are still banned in IL, but it's ok I guess. I've heard there have been some attempts to pass legislation to get beyond this though.
FOID card: Needing a special card to buy firearms or ammo is kind of annoying. However, I do like the aspect of running a buyer's FOID # through Illinois State Police to make sure they're clear before doing a private transfer. Lets me know they're on the up and up before any money is exchanged, no obligation.
SSN Vet
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if it is the Golden Age, I don't think it's going to last long.
Looks like the Hillary rush is already on.
Looks like the Hillary rush is already on.
The Golden Age is dependent on where you live. Whereas I live in AZ, it could not be better; some other states, not so good. And as far as selection, never has it been better. Sure prices have gone up, but it’s all relative. I have the means to buy anything I desire. It’s a great feeling but one that I do not take for granted. I will continue the fight for those after me.
justice06rr
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Its a golden age for some items, not so much for others.
Cheap 22lr ammo and milsurp russian ammo are gone, so are the cheaper rifles like Mosins, SKS, and even the $300 AK47's. I missed the boat by very little as I wasn't into guns until after I turned 25.
What worries me more is what our children will have available to them in the future, apart from those you pass on to them.
Cheap 22lr ammo and milsurp russian ammo are gone, so are the cheaper rifles like Mosins, SKS, and even the $300 AK47's. I missed the boat by very little as I wasn't into guns until after I turned 25.
What worries me more is what our children will have available to them in the future, apart from those you pass on to them.
Its a Golden Age for sure
Being old enough to remember the GCA of 1968, I think we have come a long long way. Many,many more states now allow CCW and in some cases even open carry.
Indiana, my home state even offers lifetime CCW permits. The Chicken Little's have been yelling for 50 years that we are losing our second amendment rights, I personally see just the opposite, We have more firearms freedoms than any other nation on earth and all the pushing by HRC isn't going to change it. The Senate and the House know that a vote in the wrong direction will cost them their seat. Doesn't mean we can let our guard down, but all the work of the past 50 years has paid off, and the new generation of shooters have much to be thankful for.
As far as selection of available firearms and ammunition, there is a much wider variety of offerings than there has eve been,and still reasonably priced. The only exception I see is the still "iffy" supply of .22 LR ammo. ( I dont even bother with .22 anymore, I can reload 9mm cheaper! So I plink with 9 mm!
The only difference is the lack of walnut and beautiful blued offerings that used to be available from Colt, S&W and D Wesson etc.
There are still treasures out there to be found, but the Composites are all the rage now, but what a wide a huge assortment to choose from.
YES ITS THE GOLDEN AGE IN ALL RESPECTS
Being old enough to remember the GCA of 1968, I think we have come a long long way. Many,many more states now allow CCW and in some cases even open carry.
Indiana, my home state even offers lifetime CCW permits. The Chicken Little's have been yelling for 50 years that we are losing our second amendment rights, I personally see just the opposite, We have more firearms freedoms than any other nation on earth and all the pushing by HRC isn't going to change it. The Senate and the House know that a vote in the wrong direction will cost them their seat. Doesn't mean we can let our guard down, but all the work of the past 50 years has paid off, and the new generation of shooters have much to be thankful for.
As far as selection of available firearms and ammunition, there is a much wider variety of offerings than there has eve been,and still reasonably priced. The only exception I see is the still "iffy" supply of .22 LR ammo. ( I dont even bother with .22 anymore, I can reload 9mm cheaper! So I plink with 9 mm!
The only difference is the lack of walnut and beautiful blued offerings that used to be available from Colt, S&W and D Wesson etc.
There are still treasures out there to be found, but the Composites are all the rage now, but what a wide a huge assortment to choose from.
YES ITS THE GOLDEN AGE IN ALL RESPECTS
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