Prince Yamato
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Why couldn't we just chamber the ARs/M4s in 7.62x39?
Indeedy so. It is an IDF "non-lethal" sniper weapon, as has been previously stated.Getting shot in the head from across the street with a .22 would surely ruin your day.
Is that sarcastic? You DIDN'T come out knowing all those things?America, the land where every male comes out of the womb knowing everything there is to know about guns, shooting, hand to hand combat, high performance driving and making love.
Lionking, very interesting photo. What's with the guy in the camo chefs hat? Did someone order lunch? Someone has got to explain that 10-22. Anything a subsonic 22LR can do a subsonic 9mm, .40, or .45ACP can do much better. What, the Israelis couldn't find a suppressed UZI anywhere? I love those guys, some of the smartest best trained soldiers around, and they choose a Ruger 10-22?
Edit: Prince Yamato, OK, good answer, thank you. Now please explain the chef.
Why couldn't we just chamber the ARs/M4s in 7.62x39?
What they found in Afganistan was the enemy bodies had several extra "ventilation holes" in them.
I'd love to see all you "real men" who want the M14 back in service loaded up with one with M-68 CCO, tactical white light, and PEQ laser. Plus 200 rounds or more of ammunition of course. Plus IBA, kevlar, NVG, gloves, eye pro, and water. You probably think you "need" a sidearm and a big honkin' knife, too.
I was a Designated Marksman with the 3rd ID in 05 and the modified M-16s using the M262 will out shoot the scoped M-14 all day long. Before I get jumped here, we shot them side by side. The DMRs had faster follow up shots and was plain more accurate. It was a sub MOA gun. My company had 10 of the DMRs and 2 of the M-14s. I posted some pics last year of my fellow marksman and I with our rifles.
And from personal experience, the 5.56 does not have that hard a problem penetrating buildings. Also from my 2 tours, NO ONE has ever failed to stop with a 5.56 to COM. Not everyone died, but they didnt keep doing what made us shoot them in the first place.
The M14 was a failure as a general-issue weapon. Get over it.
Logistics, logistics, logistics. That .243 is not appreciably less bulky than the .308, which means fewer rounds per soldier. As well, another problem with using these MBR-power cartridges in a modern FA weapon is
Controllability.
I'd love to see all you "real men" who want the M14 back in service loaded up with one with M-68 CCO, tactical white light, and PEQ laser. Plus 200 rounds or more of ammunition of course. Plus IBA, kevlar, NVG, gloves, eye pro, and water. You probably think you "need" a sidearm and a big honkin' knife, too.
If you ever get your wish, I hope you don't end up in my squad, 'cause I sure as hell don't want to have to carry you after you fall out.
With the Dems in power, it does'nt really matter. Iraq is lost.