Arizona/Chicago Priest writes anti-hunting screed

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Father Andrew need to hear from you....

My letter has already been sent.

Rick
My opinion Andrew M. Greeley : Hunting's in genes, but it's hardly sport

Printed in the Arizona Daily Star
My opinion Andrew M. Greeley
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 02.23.2006
http://www.azstarnet.com/opinion/117125

I have a hard time understanding that hunting and fishing are sports. Is it
not in the nature of sport that the playing field be level?

One does not match a junior-high school team with the Detroit Pistons, nor a
third-grade football team with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Is it fair, sporting that is, to match a lake trout with a human equipped
with all the latest gadgets including sonar and specially designed bait? Or
to match a small bird with a big human carrying a specially made shot gun?

Is it fair to match a doe, graceful and attractive but stupid creature that
she is, against a large and overweight human with a high-caliber rifle or
even a bull rhino, dangerous but half-blind creature that he is, against a
human with an even higher-caliber rifle?

You tell me.
Hunting and fishing as a livelihood, to feed oneself or one's family or
one's customers, makes sense. But for the fun of it?

It seems to me that it is a case of one of God's smarter and/or bigger
creatures killing one of his less intelligent and/or smaller creatures for
the pure joy of killing. All right, call it killing if you want, but don't
call it sport.

Any more than it is sport for a little girl to stamp out a long line of ants
or a little boy to pull the wings off flies.

A fishermen holds up his catch to be admired and photographed; he is eager
to tell you "what a great fight he put up." This praise means very little to
the fish either way, but clearly means a lot to the fisher.

Or a hunter boasts of killing an elk with an impressive display of antlers.
But he did not have to wrestle with those antlers, nor did the black bear
have a sporting chance to knock the rifle away from his killer.

One might argue that the male members of the species are selected in the
evolutionary process for a propensity to kill animals so that they might
feed and protect their spouse and children.

The love of the hunt may be genetically programmed into men, even though
killing lesser creatures is no longer necessary, in most circumstances, for
family protection.

Better that they kill animals than other human beings. A man has to respond
to the demands of testosterone some way or another.

Maybe human males are less likely to engage in drunken barroom brawls if
earlier in the day they knocked off a covey of birds or a family of deer or
triumphed over a fighting muskie.

Hunting and fishing may well be safety valves for male rage - else why are
both enterprises praised as though they were sacred behavior? Maybe not so
long ago they were.

But civilized behavior today? Gimme a break!
I'm not a vegetarian, though my favorite food is pasta. Humans are
omnivorous creatures, because they had to be at one time to survive. But are
we programmed to be killers even when we do not need the food; is it in our
genes or our bones to kill something, anything just because we can?

Hunters want to cull the deer herds in our forest preserves. Would it not be
better - and safer - if we brought in the timber wolves for that task?

Killing inferior creatures as a sport is absurd. Yet the toll of sportsmen
killed by other sportsmen every year shows just how eager the men with guns
are to pull the trigger.

The Rev. Andrew M. Greeley, a Catholic priest, teaches at the University of
Chicago and the University of Arizona. Contact him at [email protected]
 
And lest we forget, one priest does not represent the entire Catholic Church, nor the broad range of views on topics like this that can be correctly held by Catholics.
 
Greeley was our parish priest ... for a while

It's not something any of us in the parish are very proud of either. Andrew Greeley was a parish priest at Christ The King parish in the Beverly area of Chicago for a few years.

He spent all his time writing steamy books and little or no time attending to parishoners needs. He was finally asked to leave the parish so we could get a priest that spent less time in self indulgent navel gazing and more time attending to the sick and the elderly etc.

He's a self styled, egomaniac and "world foremost authority" on just about everything, social problems, the poor, racism, guns and violence, international politics, business ethics etc. He lives in a $1.5+ million condo in the Hancock building, last time I looked. The Chicago archdiocese has had him on "unattached" status for the last 20 years. No parish wanted anything to do witht he guy. Now he writes a column for the Sun Times twice a week on whatever strikes his fancy.

This column is typical of his "deep thinking".

Bottom line, the guys is a self indulgent, arrogant pinhead who doesn't need to know any of the facts to have an opinion and he looks down on the poor stupid rabble that reads his material.

His opinion holds about as much water with me and most folks as the guy that collects tickets at the back door of the CTA's 151 bus that drives past his condo on Michigan avenue.
 
The sad thing is....

.... most people don't know anything more than what they read last.

I saw some of the books, and I wondered what kind of priest he was. I read a short excerpt of one of his articles that talked about a time machine and kids going back to save Christ's life. Nice thought.... except that the central message of salvation is dependendant on Christ's death and resurrection. For a "priest" to make a statement like that would be denying salvation and the entire foundation of the church.

But apparently he is more interested in the "enlightened" circle of people he hangs with, then bringing people to God. I'm sure the other priests enjoy being associated with him. Reminds me of the saying "as ye sow, so shall ye reap"
 
Let the hunters have thier right to choose, at least they aren't killing anyone and they are helping the enviroment but the tree huggers won't admit it.
 
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I wonder how he reconciles his views with the Bible?

For example, is it even less fair to use devine power to capture fish?

If, as he suggests, it is evil to kill fish and animals unless you eat them, why do we need to kill animals and fish at all?

We could all be equally miserable eating gruel while Bambi and Thumper frolic in the forest.:rolleyes:
 
The Rev. Greeley can happily eat his fish and chips or munch on a hamburger because he lets someone else do the dirty work of killing his next meal. I can respect vegetarians who condemn hunting and fishing, but not hypocrites who are in self-denial that their next carnivorous meal comes at the cost of a fish or animal's life.
 
I'd get no thrill out of it, huntings not for me, but hey if you enjoy it, its one less deer I'll hit with my car. Life isn't a disney movie. I'm not an expert in the matter but bringing a ton of wolves in to fight deer populations seems like it would introduce dangers of its own.
 
Well, if given the choice, I'd much rather be shot than eaten alive by wolves. Mother Nature is one heartless bitch.
Marty
 
Soo... we bring in wolves to eat animals we dont feel like killing ourselves.
What do we do with the excess wolves that will soon become a problem?

I think his position is a bit hypocritical myself.
A steak dinner is the end result of a technological soul train that spans years and miles with modern science detailing every step. This meal likely began with a cage bred, raised, fed and killed animal. It was then passed on to an assembly line where men and machine processed its carcass into a lovely series of cubes that fit on your plate.

Dont whine about someone elses lack of sportsmanship if your still eating meat out of cute styrofoam boxes from the grocery store.
 
This guy is a Catholic priest?

What right, exactly, does a priest have to write about instincts, testosterone, and the like? What, exactly, would he know about living the way humans are meant to live?

And if someone is not a strict vegan, I mock them for opposing hunting, whoever they are, especially in light of the way that domestic animals are treated before they become "meat." Better to eat an animal that has lived in the wild -- they don't live forever, you know, whether we eat them or not -- than to support an industry that keeps crippled pigs confined to boxes of their own excrement, if you REALLY care about that.
 
I hope you're sending this to him.

Here is my short missive.
Andrew,

Your letter was a bigoted, biased exercise in straw-man arguments which said more about yourself than any hunter I know.

You might be proud that your piece in the Daily Star was printed to a wide audience, but I'll bet that it does more damage to peoples' view of the Universities of Chicago and Arizona, as well as the Catholic Church, than it does to 20-million hunters.

Rick
Phx, Az
 
I agree with all of the above posts. Greeley is a maroon, as Bugs would say. He did have one good idea, though, among all of the babbling he does with a word processor.

He floated the idea that all big cities in the US should become states of their own. Please, start with Chicago!!
 
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