Arm fatigue - shaking gun

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Anyone else experience arm fatigue after shooting for a while? I am an avid runner and I usually end up going to the range after I run. This is not a good thing because I'm already tired when I start shooting. I find that after about 75-100 rounds my hands start shaking pretty bad making acurate shots just about impossible. Last night the range master was watching from behind and came over the loud speaker telling me I was gripping the gun to tightly - kind of embarrassing and it pissed me off a little bit. Anyone have any special exersizes to increase endurance and strength for shooting?

Kurt
 
Kurt, yeah ... shoot more. ;)

Run a search on 'gunercise.' Lots of good info on here.

pax
 
Welcome Made -- I have problems when I've had too much coffee. I think you just have to be rested and not have a bunch of chemicals or adrenalin whacking on your nervous system.

BTW which range?
 
I find that after about 75-100 rounds my hands start shaking pretty bad
See a doctor. A friend of mine had pretty much the same problem and it turned out he had a degenerative nerve disease of some kind. If you've got the same thing you want to catch it early.

OTOH - do you happen to be one of those low or no carb guys? If so eat something after running and before going to the range. That'll help...
 
Werewolf - I'm definately not a low carb guy, I eat anything and everything in mass quantities :D

Mongo - I shoot at "The Bulls Eye". It's just about 10 minutes from my house.

I'll run a search on gunersise, thanks pax!

The best advice is probably to go when I am well rested but most of the time my schedule just doesn't permit it :mad:

Kurt
 
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If all you do is run and don't lift weights, try adding some resistance training to your regimen. I've found that since I started lifting, my upper body strength has improved significantly and consequently I can spend a longer and more productive time at the range.
 
"Last night the range master was watching from behind and came over the loud speaker ..."

OK that's just rude. Offering advice is one thing. Broadcasting is another.
 
I hear you mpthole, I kept telling myself over the winter that I would start lifting more but somehow I never got into a regular regime. I blame my kids for taking up all my spare time :rolleyes:

Yeah, I thought it was a little rude myself Chipperman. There were only a couple other guys shooting so it wasn't a big deal but since the problem was fatigue and not technique it kind of peaved me off.
 
... I kept telling myself over the winter that I would start lifting more but somehow I never got into a regular regime. I blame my kids for taking up all my spare time
:D That sounds familiar.

Depends how big the kids are, but when mine were babies & toddlers, I had the same problem, and ended up using them for part of my exercise routine. I'd lie on my back and set the kid on my chest, then push him up into the air and back down again, with him giggling the whole time. Good for arm strength, makes the babies giggle ... plus, kids grow gradually so as the kid got bigger I'd be working harder to do the same thing.

pax
 
I'm pretty new to the exercise routine myself. My wife and I finally joined a gym. I've gone pretty consistently for about 3 months now. The first month all I did was cardio. Then I met with a trainer and got on a weight routine and have been doing that for about 2 months. I like the weights, but miss the cardio - there's only so much time one can spend at the gym - so I'm trying to figure out a good balance between lifting and cardio.

What I've noticed is that my match performance has really improved. I've got more stamina and strength to get through not only each course of fire, but through the day in general. :) Example: the last IDPA Classifier I shot, on stage 3, by the time I got to the 3rd string I was pretty wound up and breathing a little heavy. I just had to take a couple of deep breaths and I felt pretty good. A year ago I probably would have had to sit down! ;) Anyway, I was able to finish the 3rd string with a great time and very good accuracy; and ended up making Expert in CDP. I was pretty "pumped". ;)
 
I don't get it when I shoot a bunch of .22, but after 50 or so rounds of .45, my accuracy falls off fast.

I know I need to lift more weights, but I am not too worried; I don't imagine I'll be doing 50+ rounds of aimed fire in a defensive situation.
 
working just your wrist and fingers can help alot... triceps are where most of my problems lie..

when i first starting shooting lots of handguns i would balance about 15 lbs on my finger tips and curl that with my wrist, that worked well....

if you don't have a 15lb weight, a garand with a sling will suffice... if you don't have one, then now you have an excuse... :D
 
As mentioned weight training should help the fatigue part but I'm also wondering what caliber your shooting?

I can go through 200 rounds of 9mm in my Glocks wihtout getting the shakes, but over 100 through my G-23 and here they come ;)

Excessive recoil and/or muzzel blast will eventually leave you frazzeled.
 
9mm is what I shoot. I bought a USP compact about 2 weeks ago so that is what I have been concentrating on. It does have a fair amount more recoil than my Beretta 92fs or Cougar.

Thanks for all the sugestions guys. I do plan on doing more lifting. I'm thinking about holding a weight similar to how I would a pistol and pushing it straight out and also in an up and down motion.

Kurt
 
We had competative shooting clubs at our work range and, although I never participated in any myself, I spoke with some shooters who claimed to sit at home each evening with a loaded mag in the gun and they would raise the gun to an imaginary target and just hold it in place.

They claimed quivering would soon set in and they continued to hold as long as possible.

They also claimed that it helped with their shooting skills, etc.

I dunno...just what they said.
 
How I got over it...

I conquered a bit of weakness of this kind by regularly doing a simple exercise at home... I take my heaviest gun and hold it out, arm fully extended, very steady on a target (one-handed) for 30-40 seconds. Repeat at least three times on each hand couple or so times a day. Boy, did THAT improve my shooting--both one-handed and two-handed! I still get tired after 300 or so rounds but not as badly as I used to, and I shoot better overall--and that was the whole idea. I also make sure I've eaten something decent before I go to the range. I don't wanna shoot for 30 minutes then find myself suddenly hungry and weak.

Works for me.
 
The other day I was at the range and after about 75 round I got tired of punching paper and drug out the steel targets. After I got those things drug out and set up right handed shots took some work to keep steady and left handed shots were impossible.

Some of the best exercise I have found for forearms is to take a rope and tie it around a pole, put a hook on the other end to that weight can be added to it. Then hold your arms out and slowly roll the rope around the pole until the weight reaches your hands and then slowly unroll the rope. You'll only want to do it a couple of times. :eek:
 
Some of the best exercise I have found for forearms is to take a rope and tie it around a pole, put a hook on the other end to that weight can be added to it. Then hold your arms out and slowly roll the rope around the pole until the weight reaches your hands and then slowly unroll the rope. You'll only want to do it a couple of times.
This is an excellent exercise. The description of using a "pole" threw me off a little... but I got it. You could use a round wood dowel about 12-18" in length and 1-2" in diameter for this exercise too - or a broom handle even! :)

Motorcross (sp?) riders use this type of exercise to strengthen their forearms.
 
try this - grip the gun as you would to shoot it. rotate the gun in a clockwise direction. notice that your elbow forms a flat spot on top of your arm. now rotate the gun back into firing position while leaving your elbow rolled over. this will have the effect of "locking" your elbow. if you notice the direction taken by a 1911 when fired, it is upwards and to the left. if your elbow is held normally it will break up and to the left also increasing recovery time. an old, to me at the time, shooter told me this, and that my arm should be stiff as a 2X4 or at least as close as i could get it. really helped with buulseye rapid fire recovery.

for strengthening the arm and grip: some dedicated shooters took the guts out of a magazine that was not trustworthy, poured it full of lead, filing out the retaining notch to keep it in the gun. makes a 1911 a heavy gun.

then there is this: with the arm extended in the firing position, move the gun up and down, left and right, round clockwise then counter clockwise all the time trying to keep it from wobbling. do this smartly. this is impossible, but it is your resistance that is important. do this with both arms or you will be looking like a crab. yunno, big arm, little arm, ha.

now, when you extend your shooting arm, feel a long muscle at the bottom of your upper arm, behind the elbow. if it is loose and floppy, it needs to be strengthened.

exercise of any kind is good, but the foregoing exercises are specifically designed for strengthening the muscles you shoot with. i heard this exercise was developed back in the early days of Camp Perry. i dont know, i just did them and improvement was rapid. i teach them to all new shooters i coach.

hope the instructions are reasonably clear, saying it is oh so much easier than typing it.
 
Just some basic work with dumbbells at home ought to help your arm strength and grip. Stuff like smimming helps as well as it works you upper body. If you sole purpose is to help your shooting, no need to go into a huge work out regimen. Every little bit helps.
 
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