Fatigue

[BridgeWalker]

Posters with military training seem to follow this idea in this thread.

Then there's the posters who couldn't get into the military because of the permanent damage caused by working too long. I agree that working to and past exhaustion can be great. But working to and past signs of nerve damage is slightly less great, and could result in, for example, getting turned away by the marines. (And the army, navy, air force, and coast guard...)

Yeah so, personal bias here. Still the op talks about localized numbness. Not the same as fatigue or exhaustion.

 

[Grandpa Shooter]

Yeah so, personal bias here. Still the op talks about localized numbness. Not the same as fatigue or exhaustion

What do you think happens in a real gunfight. The other guy walks around with an orange pastie on his chest and you get to choose when you have just the right conditions to shoot? In gunfights people get shot. The one who can get hit and still keep shooting is the one who wins the battle, not the guy who quits because his finger hurts! Real life armed encounters require being able to return fire under any adverse conditions that arise.

 

[DMK]

Now you will tell me this is where the guy at the gym is working different muscles. Sure, and if you have a full shooting routine, you can work a lot of different muscles as well between changing shooting positions, two handed, strong hand, weak hand, kneeling, sitting, crouching, prone, shooting on the move, shooting from your back, etc.

When working out or shooting, you'll always be limited by the weakest link (the most fatigued body part). Even if shooting multiple guns, multiple positions, handgun, rifle, shotgun, You'll still be limited by arm fatigue, eye strain, general numbness of the mind.

What do you think happens in a real gunfight. The other guy walks around with an orange pastie on his chest and you get to choose when you have just the right conditions to shoot? In gunfights people get shot. The one who can get hit and still keep shooting is the one who wins the battle, not the guy who quits because his finger hurts! Real life armed encounters require being able to return fire under any adverse conditions that arise.

True. Exhaustion and difficulty should be part of your training, but not SOP. When you get tired, you get sloppy. It's unavoidable. That makes for bad form, shortcuts, improper technique. The whole purpose of training is to practice the right way to do something. You don't want to be learning poor form. Imperfect Practice makes for poor performance.

You should only practice adversity once you have completely mastered technique and can do it repeatedly without a thought. Even then, you need to alternate adverse conditions with normal training, with the majority being the normal training.

 

[Ala Dan]

Yes, I have experienced fatigue very quickly; especially after my MVA in
which I was almost killed~! Broken neck, crushed left wrist with nerve
damage does not do well on the firing line; but like other's, I have good
days and I have terrible days~!

 

[-terry]

You're not training for battle are you? How tired can you get in 3 - 5 seconds?

The fatigue issue enters with range work. Shoot til you get tired then save the rest of the ammo for another day.

 

[Grandpa Shooter]

You're not training for battle are you? How tired can you get in 3 - 5 seconds?

The point I am trying to make is that you don't get to pick when you have to respond. The OP may have just left the range and his hand is cramping really bad. He stops at the ATM and someone confronts him and it turns ugly. He may have to draw his gun, and may have to use it with that same hand. Not unlike me with arthritis in my hands. I have to train drawing, shooting, holstering, working the action, with hands that hurt like ****. And yes, to me all the work I do with a hangun, while fun, is about training!

 

[mljdeckard]

I WISH I had ever fired 300 consecutive rounds in the army. Not even in the MGs on the tank.

With my Glock, I also had a Advantage Arms .22 conversion kit. I cranked out 1000 rounds one fine saturday afternoon. Not only was my right hand tired, I got a LOT of practice with my left hand as well. I felt it the next day.

If people ask me for the definitive reason I switched out the Glock for the 1911, I tell them that the Glock has a gooey trigger. The Kimber doesn't. (And yes, I did the same 1000 round drill with the .22 kit on the 1911, it was much less excruciating.)

 

[Snipe315]

I see lots of people commenting that shooting 300-400 rounds in a single session is the norm for them.

Must be some RICH people on this board. Either that or they aren't shooting to often.

I used to shot 200-250 rounds of 45ACP each range session and I went at least once a week. That was about 1,000 rounds a month for about $200. That was and still is reasonable to me has far as number of rounds/frequency/cost.

Now that ammo prices have almost doubled, I only shoot 150-200 each session. Often this seems like to light for a good session but I just focus more on making each shot count.

 

[BridgeWalker]

Yep, one has to able to perform under adverse circumstances. I guess for me the breaking point between good training and just dumb comes when one is deciding to create a potentially permanent impairment in the name of preparedness.

I'm very, very prepared for situation where I need to shoot one-handed, because I can't shoot two-handed. Permanent damage from training too intensely. Trouble is I can't shoot worth a darn off-hand. Willpower rarely works over frayed tendons and destroyed nerves. I gained a serious strategic disadvantage by training too intensely.

But hey, do what works for you. Someone's gotta keep the orthopods in business, and I've done more than share for one lifetime!

 

[C. H. Luke]

"Willpower rarely works over frayed tendons and destroyed nerves. I gained a serious strategic disadvantage by training too intensely."

Sage advice at a minimum!

Read some of John Taffin's work? Don't want to end up crippled with arthritis from years of shooting "to much", to often, etc.

That "vibration is actually "shock" and similar to one's hearing if not "protected" and allowed to rest properly can only lead to worsening problems soon or in ageing.

One more thing: Popping pain killers, Rx or otherwise, is one thing when one is "young" and quite another when one is older and still actively shooting!

 

[TimboKhan]

First thing I'd do is find a range that doesn't have that stupid 5-second rule. Many of the skills you need to practice can never be done there.

Evidently he did do that first thing, since he said that his range does not have a 5-second rule.

 

[TimboKhan]

I see lots of people commenting that shooting 300-400 rounds in a single session is the norm for them.

Must be some RICH people on this board. Either that or they aren't shooting to often.

I have shot one caliber this much on more than one occasion, but it only cost me about 10 dollars. Guess what I was shooting?

I have also shot around that many rounds across a variety of guns, but not all that often. Generally, I find that after about 200 rounds, I am pretty much done, and I will spend the rest of my range time shooting the bull (uh, no pun intended) with my shooting buddies.

 

[Mot45acp]

The G17 is my only 9mm. The 3 main reasons I got it:

1. Cheaper than .45 = more practice.

2. I wanted a Sub 2000 and they dont make one in a .45

3. Wanted a black uber evil, high capacity, livestock raping, pistol.

Had to take a physical today. Preliminary says no to any nerve damage. Said its normal when exposed to vibration. Got the "Why do you need to shoot so much?" from the Dr. But thats another thread.

The fatigue was localized.(from the strong side elbow to hand) I usually load my mags before I go to the range. Consists of 5-9, 17 or 19 rounders and 4-6 33 rounders. A couple of handfulls pulled out of an ammo can. It all depends on if I feel like unloading my SD rounds.

edit to ad: the rifle range is 1 shot for five seconds. I walk across to the pistol range to practice pistol firing.

 

[littlegator]

The most I've shot in one sitting...err...standing...is 200. Past that, I'm not shooting any better, I AM a little tired, and frankly, I'm a little bored.

I smell an anti-gun, liberal sheeple blissininny troll on this thread. Bored. Pleeeeeez. (Just kidding).

Actually, can you get carpal tunnel from shooting pistols too much?

 

[Grandpa Shooter]

:You guys are making me think too much. Got me wondering now if the peripheral neuropathy in my hands is from shooting too much. Never gave it a thought. I shot 4-500 rounds a week for 4 years or more and got really good. Now my hands are numb much of the time and the last two fingers on my left hand don't want to uncurl. I am on meds for it which help somewhat. Never made a connection til now. Maybe I better cut back a bit.

I thought it was from driving and using power tools for a living! Yeh that must be it!

 

[Lonestar49]

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Or a combination of all 3..

So much for Celebrex, not much to celebrate.. Bring back the Viox..


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