Armalite AR 24 thoughts?

[ceadermtnboy]

I just laid away an Armalite AR 24 with adjustible sights. My local gun shop had one he had ordered in and the guy who he ordered it for never picked it up. It looked very well put together, felt good in the hand, and was priced at $455.00. Can anyone give me a run down on thier experience with this 9mm pistol?

 

[Moonclip]

At $455 not a bad price but I personally prefer the actual CZ at around the same price or less than a Turk clone. Some here own them and seem to like them though.

 

[JHansenAK47]

I like my AR24 T good reliable gun. I did have to replace the extractor spring as it broke. (common to CZs and clones) These do use witness mags, however I would purchase the mecgar Mfgd witness mags.
http://www.cdnninvestments.com/wi9mm16manew.html
I use these in mine.

 

[Luis Leon]

none of my 3 CZs extractors have broken... and I shoot many, many, rounds per year

 

[rbernie]

I hope you like your new pistol. The pistol upon which it is based, the CZ75, is very highly regarded.

PS: Welcome to The High Road!

 

[Eightball]

My experience involves looking at it in an ad, and thinking to myself, "Wow, another Tanfoglio ripoff" (or however you spell it), and I continued about my day.

Don't know anyone who owns one, or I'd say something about it. Post pictures and a range report when you get it? Doesn't sound like a bad price, though.

 

[-v-]

From what I hear the trigger is nicer then the CZs stock, as the firing pin block is moves down in the AR24, rather then being moved up by the trigger bar, as is the case with CZs, with the end result of a much lighter trigger pull.

 

[ceadermtnboy]

Well I finally scraped enough cash together to get the AR24 out of layaway. My first impression upon looking at the fit an finish was, dang this is one well put together pistol. It is obvious that the pistol was put together with attention to detail. The finish is very nice with no tooling marks, and the corners are rounded nice and smooth. The sights are the adjustable rear combat type with white dots, and the front and backstrap are checkered. The slide to frame fit is very tight and my initial thought is that its worth what I paid for it and then some ( If it shoots as well as it looks). I do not own, nor do I know a lot about CZ pistols, however I have handled some and this pistol definitley is as well made and I can reach the slide release easier than on the CZ85. I have pictures on my laptop, but can not figure out how to post on this website? If someone can give me ideas, I would like to post pictures of the pistol. I will give a range report, but have a busy weeks so may be a few days.

 

[Boarhunter]

ceadermtnboy,

I loved my AR24 up until the very moment I traded it even for a CZ....

My problem is likely not one you will experience. My gun had fixed sights, which were very poorly regulated. My ammo of preference (and all other ammo I tried) hit approximately 4" low at 30 feet, and I found absolutely no solution to the problem either from Armalite or aftermarket suppliers. Armalite said they had no replacement sights available, could not sell me adjustable sights to fit the gun, and did not even know the dimensions of the sight dovetails so that I could order appropriate aftermarket sights. Which is probably just as well for the sights seemed all but welded into place...no amount of reasonable force could get the sights out of their dovetails (or even get them to move).

So, nice as the gun was made and nice as it was to shoot, I switched over to the CZ for lack of support and supplies from Armalite.

I have no regrets, by the way, for my CZ is a superb gun.

The bottom line: if you never need manufacturer/distributor/aftermarket support for the gun, you should be a very, very happy shooter. If you do need that support, good luck to you....

Boarhunter

 

[Ash]

Frankly, I think they are making a huge mistake by not having them in 45ACP. Compared with a CZ-75, they are, eh, okay. Compared with a CZ-97, they are smaller and lighter and, so, have the niche of a 45 CAL CZ but without the giant heft.

This is based on the Tanfoglio pistols, of course, but since the Sarsilmaz are merely copies of the Tanfoglio, it would also apply.

I would like one if nothing else to not have EAA Witness on my pistol. I'm not a fan of EAA, but really like the Tanfoglio (ended up carrying it over my CZ-75 after Katrina, much to my surprise).

Ash

 

[LanEvo`]

I've spent quite a bit of time with the Sarsilmaz Kilinc while in Turkey. I've also owned and shot CZs for many years. My impression is that the fit and finish of the Kilinc is a bit better than the CZ-75B. The trigger is also noticeably smoother. Accuracy and feel are about the same.

...Wow, another Tanfoglio ripoff...

...the Sarsilmaz are merely copies of the Tanfoglio...

My understanding is that both the frame and slide of the Sarsilmaz are forged. I do not believe that to be the case with the Tanfoglio. Of course, how important that is might be open to debate. It's not like we read reports of Tanfoglios and CZs falling apart every day.

I personally have no experience with Tanfoglio. However, everything I've read suggests the Tangfoglio is lower in quality than the 75B. In contrast, the Kilinc is at least equal (if not a step up) in quality compared to the 75B. Basically, you're getting a gun that's as good as (or better than) the 75B for a bit less money. Seems like a pretty good deal to me.

 

[ceadermtnboy]

I hope to get to the range this memorial day weekend. I think after an hour of trying to compress the photos that finally was able to attach some pictures of the armalite. I really like the fit and finsh. I love shooting my M&P 9mm but this is just cooler looking than the poly pistols.

 

[mr.trooper]

I have a CZ-75 Semi-compact. I love it to death. Only gun iv ever had that hasn't jammed on me YET.

When i heard about the AR-24 I was very skeptical. After holding one, cycling the action, and dry-firing one, I WANT ONE.

There is NOTHING wrong with the CZ at all, but the AR-24 has a better stock trigger, a smoother cycling action, and the internal parts show a higher level of finishing.

The AR-24 is an improvement on the CZ-75, similar to the way that CZ improved on the original Browning High Power.

 

[ceadermtnboy]

I finally got to the range today with my wife. We took the new AR-24 along with my S&W M&P. After 200 rounds of cheap Wal-mart winchester FMJ ammunition, we both gave the Armalite two thumbs up. It did not have one malfunction, shot to point of aim without having to adjust the combat sights. At 10 yards shooting off hand I kept all 15 rounds in a group measuring just a hair over 2". When I moved to 20 yards off hand the 15 round group opened up to about 6" with two 3 shot clusters that each just about cut a ragged hole . It was on par with the M&P which I have found to be the most accurate 9mm that I have owned. Though it was not as comfortable in my hand as the M&P, the trigger was actually smoother and it handled recoil better. In fact my wife would not shoot the M&P after shooting the AR24. I am very happy with the Armalite, It will not replace the M&P as my carry gun but only because of the weight difference, but it is one nice pistol that Im glad I did'nt pass on. I am looking forward to the next trip to the range when I will try some corbon and winchester hollowpoints.

 

[papajohn]

So the Armalite gun is a clone of the clones of the CZ-75? I keep hearinjg how the AR-24 is different, but aside from a hump on the slide, I don't see it. From the ads I've seen it looks like an EAA Witness and a Browning Hi-Power combined. I bought a Witness 17 years ago, in 40S&W, and still have it, I shoot it all the time. Most reliable gun I've ever owned, bar none. Not the prettiest, but I bought it to shoot, not look at. The phosphate finish has held up well over the years, and the trigger is slicker these days, I have close to 35K rounds through it.

I read the article in "Police" magazine on the gun, the writer claims the ARmalite gun is "updated", but the features he cites as improvements are all present on my 1990-vintage gun. Do the mags that fit the CZ and EAA guns also fit the Armalite gun?

PJ

 

[TimboKhan]

I keep hearinjg how the AR-24 is different

Laughably, the early advertising for this gun seemed to indicate that it was some sort of revolutionary breakthrough in pistol design. Clearly, such was not the case. I notice the newer ads for this pistol have gotten away from that sort of language, and instead seem to be touting it's reliability and basic awesomeness.

I have never shot one, but I have handled one, and it struck me as a nicely built pistol that I would have no qualms about owning. Clearly, it is not an original design in any sense of the word, but I can live without originality if it works. It obviously helps that the gun it is modeled after is a good (great?) gun to begin with. In any event, if I could afford a CZ, I would go that route. The Armalite is a bit cheaper and so basic economics, in addition to generally positive range reviews, make it a perfectly acceptable option.

Interestingly, I would be tons more interested if it had a light rail. As mall-ninjaish as it sounds, I have decided that I can't live life without a bedside gun in 9mm that has a light mounted on it. Thus, I have decided to bite the bullet and buy a Glock...

 

[atblis]

Haven't had a chance

I haven't had a chance to compare them side by side, but from the initial reports it is a Tanfoglio derived gun. It doesn't seem to be exactly a Tanfoglio though. The Armscor and Baby Eagle are definitely Tanfoglios.

EAA Witness is a straight Tanfoglio
MR/IMI Baby Eagle aka Jericho
Armscor
Armalite
Academy
etc.

 

[rino451]

The Academy Hancer is Sarsilmaz - closer to CZ than Tanfoglio. They take CZ mags and from what I've gathered (guessing) have the AR-24/EEA/Tanfoglio style firing pin block but unfortunately, the front sight is integral to the slide and the rear appears to be press-fit. Warranty through Briley's?

It'd be on my VERY short list, now occupied by the CZ PCR if not for the sights. I do intend to ask Academy whether they can order the other Sarsilmaz pistols.

 

[mr.trooper]

I just don't know about the EAA models... I don't hear of too many problems but... when I handle them they just don't seem to be up to snuff with the Real CZ. The AR-24 and the Baby Eagle (Jerico) do.

From the ads I've seen it looks like an EAA Witness and a Browning Hi-Power combined

Considering that the CZ-75 is heavily derived from the Browning High Power, and uses the Browning locking system, this isn't all that surprising.

it should also be noted that the AR-24 does NOt have a "hump" its slide. The machining flutes just make it appear that way.

 

[papajohn]

I guess most people's opinions vary, depending on their own experiences. I own an EAA Witness that's the most reliable gun I've ever seen, so I assume they all are. A buddy of mine bought the Baby Eagle, and it was a horrid jamamatic, we tried a dozen different mags and all sorts of different ammo but it never got any better. He finally unloaded it and bought a CZ-75 in 40, now he's a happy camper. I bought the first Witness I ever saw that wasn't a 9mm, and the only problem was a broken extractor after about 29,000 rounds. I had it up and running again three days later.

The CZ-75 had a good reputation before I ever saw my Italian clone, Col. Cooper deemed it the best of the crunchentickers (his pet name for DA 9's) but I payed it little notice until I actually held one. No gun had ever snugged down into my hand and begged to be shot like that before, and I had to have one, but didn't want the 9mm.

I immediately began reloading for it, and was amazed at how reliable it was with any bullet profile, and I tried everything I could think of to make it choke......long rounds, short rounds, it even fed rounds with the bullets in backwards. I guess I just got a good one. Regardless, it's not for sale.......ever.

Papajohn

 

[hemiram]

My Witness .45 chews though everything I have put in it, that is even remotely close to being reasonably good quality ammo. A friend found 2 buckets (5 gal) of assorted .45ACP and another friend and I went out and pretty much shot one of them. There were a few misfires, no fault of the guns, and a few cases that were messed up, but most all of it was good. My witness has had about 3000 rounds through it now, it's very smooth at this point, and when someone else shoots it, it's very accurate. Not when I shoot it, I stink. I'm not bad at 25', but at 50' or more, I'm really horrible. At least I'm having fun.

 

[GZOh]

Good Luck with your Gun... But when I buy a Gun, what BOARHUNTER said sums it up!!...
"The bottom line: if you never need manufacturer/distributor/aftermarket support for the gun, you should be a very, very happy shooter. If you do need that support, good luck"...
For me this is VERY VERY, IMPORTANT and is always one of my primary considerations!!

 

[JHansenAK47]

none of my 3 CZs extractors have broken... and I shoot many, many, rounds per year

The spring not the extractor. Google it you will find that extractor spring issues are common to the platform. Some 1911's have plunger tube issues it doesn't mean yours is automatically going to fail.