Sven
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These cartels are taking jobs from Americans who should be growing these crops! LOL.
Armed guards protect drug plantations
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Tamara
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George Hill,
Yeah! Piss on that pesky un-American "posse comitatus" drivel! They should send SOCOM patrols through neighborhoods known to have crack houses, too. They could use laser designators on known druggie dens to make sure that the JDAMS fall on target and minimize collateral damage to civilians barbecuing in the back yard next door. I bet not a single bomb fragment would even scuff the Bill of Rights!
Yeah! Piss on that pesky un-American "posse comitatus" drivel! They should send SOCOM patrols through neighborhoods known to have crack houses, too. They could use laser designators on known druggie dens to make sure that the JDAMS fall on target and minimize collateral damage to civilians barbecuing in the back yard next door. I bet not a single bomb fragment would even scuff the Bill of Rights!
Ed Brunner
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Tamara
I don't think George contemplates using US troops against US citizens.
Would that be different?
I don't think George contemplates using US troops against US citizens.
Would that be different?
Sven
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> I bet not a single bomb fragment would even scuff the Bill of Rights!
BRWAHAHAHAHHAHA
BRWAHAHAHAHHAHA
I helped patrol Los Padres National Forest, CA in 1995 when i was in the Marine Corps. It was part of a program called Joint Task Force Six, which uses military assets to assist law enforcement where they are underpowered. We destroyed seventeen small marijuana plots, and set up an observation post on a meth lab we found, which resulted in the arrest of three of these fools.
We were not allowed to detain anyone, we were allowed to gather intel, work with LE, and defend ourselves. It was dangerous work then, i can't imagine how it is now. Armed guards and boobie traps awaited our patrols. They used to watch Ft. Hunter Ligget where we were stationed to watch for our unmarked suburbans or our helos when we left. They would then attempt to track us so they could hide their stuff. We also had to use Crypto on our comm gear, as they would listen to us transmit.
It was really good "real world" training and it was nice to help the law enforcement personnel who were overwhelmed.
-Brian
We were not allowed to detain anyone, we were allowed to gather intel, work with LE, and defend ourselves. It was dangerous work then, i can't imagine how it is now. Armed guards and boobie traps awaited our patrols. They used to watch Ft. Hunter Ligget where we were stationed to watch for our unmarked suburbans or our helos when we left. They would then attempt to track us so they could hide their stuff. We also had to use Crypto on our comm gear, as they would listen to us transmit.
It was really good "real world" training and it was nice to help the law enforcement personnel who were overwhelmed.
-Brian
Bribom,
Welcome to THR!
It's my understanding that Nation Guard assets are allowed to participate in Law Enforcement ops if drugs are involved (how a military chopper happened to be present at Waco). Dunno about Active...
John
Welcome to THR!
It's my understanding that Nation Guard assets are allowed to participate in Law Enforcement ops if drugs are involved (how a military chopper happened to be present at Waco). Dunno about Active...
John
artherd
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The reason marijuana is illegal is merely that black people smoked it, and the whities smoked Tobaco.
Tobaco/Nicotene is FAR more addictive than Marijuana (infact, nicotene is more neuro-chemically addictive than heroin, however marijuana is not neuro-chemically addictive at all, at best it is psycologically addictive.)
Tobaco/Nicotene is FAR more addictive than Marijuana (infact, nicotene is more neuro-chemically addictive than heroin, however marijuana is not neuro-chemically addictive at all, at best it is psycologically addictive.)
Yeah, that's the one. The guys I met patrolled the Los Padres as well. I brought a bunch of my work magazines up to my parents to catch up on over xmas, and coincidentally as I was going through them just a while ago, I saw a big pot plant on the cover of one: Government Executive has an article this month in which they mention both the problem with growers and the use of JTFS. Here's a link to the electronic version:
http://www.govexec.com/features/1203/1203s2.htm
Bribom -- did your crew ever stop over in Santa Barbara for lunch when you were working that area? The guys I met used to. I never knew what they were doing before I met them, but they used to park their helo (I think it was a 46?) across the way from where the plane I work out of is parked.
We didn't go out very often for lunch. I wasn't in an aircrew and we didn't do air surveillance. I was a groundpounder in the Corps, and we had a company of Marines doing 1 week unsupported patrols through Los Padres. We had some Army helos attatched to us for insertion and medevac. Sounds like the guys you ran into were the aircrew surveillance guys.
It was really good training patrolling for a week at a time deep in the national forest. We were able to practice squad level movements and learn about light and noise discipline in an environment that contained some risk of detection without being close to combat. We did alot of good helping out the forest officers and we felt like we made ourselves a more effective combat unit for our "real" job.
-Brian
It was really good training patrolling for a week at a time deep in the national forest. We were able to practice squad level movements and learn about light and noise discipline in an environment that contained some risk of detection without being close to combat. We did alot of good helping out the forest officers and we felt like we made ourselves a more effective combat unit for our "real" job.
-Brian
LiquidTension
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If pot heads could grow their own stuff without worrying about being thrown in jail, many of them would do it. This would cause them to buy MUCH less from dealers, and therefore the price would drop. When the price drops, the profit drops, blah blah basic business stuff. Also, if growers weren't doing anything illegal, they wouldn't have to guard their plantations with machine guns. Hell, they could probably make more money by giving tours to wannabe growers!
Since this has been discussed dozens of times already, I'll quit now.
Pot is not a drug, it's a hobby.
Since this has been discussed dozens of times already, I'll quit now.
Pot is not a drug, it's a hobby.
Nightcrawler
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The fact that you disagree with the law that these guys are breaking doesn't change the fact that they're still murderers (i.e., the hunter that was killed).
Is it really okay to kill an innocent bystander in the process of breaking a law that you feel is unjust?
Regardless of how you feel about the law, these people are obviously dangerous criminals and need to be dealt with somehow. If you want to legalize drugs, fine, but let's not do business with, you know, murderers.
Is it really okay to kill an innocent bystander in the process of breaking a law that you feel is unjust?
Regardless of how you feel about the law, these people are obviously dangerous criminals and need to be dealt with somehow. If you want to legalize drugs, fine, but let's not do business with, you know, murderers.
Shweboner
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I support the legalization of Pot, but not some other drugs. For one, Marijuana is not as physically damaging as alcohol, yet alcohol remains legal. Here in Oregon we have state run liquor stores, I know they make quite a bit of money from them, I say legalize pot and sell it through the state liquor stores at a price lower than what you get on the street, etc.
Say like an eighth for $25 or so. No one will give business to illegal dealers, when they can legally get it chaper. And the gubmit can make a share in that billion dollar industry, what better way to make money, legalize it and regulate it like booze/tobacco. That would be the only way I see it being legalized, if they can make money on it.
Another thing I noticed when I smoked, back in school and on the news I hear all about how pot is everywhere, and its bombarding our children/society... whatever... I can remember times when I couldn't get a bag to save my life. Drug dealers are an unreliable bunch
~Brian
Say like an eighth for $25 or so. No one will give business to illegal dealers, when they can legally get it chaper. And the gubmit can make a share in that billion dollar industry, what better way to make money, legalize it and regulate it like booze/tobacco. That would be the only way I see it being legalized, if they can make money on it.
Another thing I noticed when I smoked, back in school and on the news I hear all about how pot is everywhere, and its bombarding our children/society... whatever... I can remember times when I couldn't get a bag to save my life. Drug dealers are an unreliable bunch
~Brian
nico
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if pot were made legal, I'm pretty sure it'd still be illegal to set up a "plantation" in a national park
If anyone thinks this sort of thing is restricted to some kind of "mexican cartel" I suggest you take a walk through some of the open country in Oregon and Washington. This sort of thing has been going on around here for a VERY long time.
Leidernicht
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Hello, I'm new to the forum but been reading here for some time.
As a minister and a student of the human condition, I find this thread to be an interesting proof of one of the universal truths concerning humanity; That is that a person will find a way to do whatever it is that he wants to do. Legally or illegally. . . And in spite of the threat of punishment!
Whether it is to escape reality through modern (or ancient) chemistry or live a life of self discipline and structure, we each choose our own lifestyle.
In the situation discussed the problem is that NO amount of laws, enforcement, regulations, begging or pleading will keep people from using drugs. All you need do is look at the fairly recent prohibition of alcohol and the rise of super-powerful organised crime surrounding it.
Personally, I find it much easier to deal with stoned hippies than ruthless drug gangs.
I still firmly believe in our right to protect ourselves from evil people, But I think it is time to look at getting rid of the crime organizations by cutting off some of their income. Make MJ legal and control it. I bet you never thought you'd hear a conservative Christian minister say that.
Best Regards
As a minister and a student of the human condition, I find this thread to be an interesting proof of one of the universal truths concerning humanity; That is that a person will find a way to do whatever it is that he wants to do. Legally or illegally. . . And in spite of the threat of punishment!
Whether it is to escape reality through modern (or ancient) chemistry or live a life of self discipline and structure, we each choose our own lifestyle.
In the situation discussed the problem is that NO amount of laws, enforcement, regulations, begging or pleading will keep people from using drugs. All you need do is look at the fairly recent prohibition of alcohol and the rise of super-powerful organised crime surrounding it.
Personally, I find it much easier to deal with stoned hippies than ruthless drug gangs.
I still firmly believe in our right to protect ourselves from evil people, But I think it is time to look at getting rid of the crime organizations by cutting off some of their income. Make MJ legal and control it. I bet you never thought you'd hear a conservative Christian minister say that.
Best Regards
Ryder
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They ended prohibition but moonshine is still illegal. ATF still exists. Same thing would happen with drugs. But ending prohibition did manage to limit the problem considerably. So is it the problem which needs to be controlled or is it the people who need to be controlled?
I can legally make hundreds of gallons of wine for personal use. Enough to light up my whole block every day of the year. Wonder why everyone isn't doing that? Hmm, most odd. Shouldn't there be a wino on every street corner? Hmmm, WHAT'S UP WITH THAT? Why are winos are so rare and why do they buy the stuff in stores? I've made some damn good wine, can't be quality. Too much effort maybe?
Hope both sides are having fun with this. It is entertaining for the time being. But guns may be next. It is A-T-F after all.
I'd never think I am not free even if I am outlawed.
Edit to add: Welcome to The High Road Leidernicht! I look forward to reading more of your opinions.
I can legally make hundreds of gallons of wine for personal use. Enough to light up my whole block every day of the year. Wonder why everyone isn't doing that? Hmm, most odd. Shouldn't there be a wino on every street corner? Hmmm, WHAT'S UP WITH THAT? Why are winos are so rare and why do they buy the stuff in stores? I've made some damn good wine, can't be quality. Too much effort maybe?
Hope both sides are having fun with this. It is entertaining for the time being. But guns may be next. It is A-T-F after all.
I'd never think I am not free even if I am outlawed.
Edit to add: Welcome to The High Road Leidernicht! I look forward to reading more of your opinions.
Nightcrawler
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Ever been to Grand Rapids?
Ryder
Member
Hahha, you guys!
Yupp, I've been through those cities. Not brave enough to get off the interstate though.
Yupp, I've been through those cities. Not brave enough to get off the interstate though.
TallPine
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No excuse for their behavior.
But the fact remains that, practically speaking, prohibition of certain drugs leads to this kind of a situation, where innocent hikers or hunters are put in danger. Drug prohibition did not MAKE these people become violent - they chose to be violent. They may or may not have become violent absent drug prohibition - who knows?
Ever notice that wheat and corn are grown openly on private farms, not clandestinely on public lands, and the farmers don't stand guard over their crops?
Anyway, when you go for a hike - don't leave home without it
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