Armor Piercing, Incindiary, etc

[Geckgo]

Hi all, I did a search of the forums for various combinations of armor piercing stuff and incindiary stuff and haven't been able to turn up anything on this subject, maybe I'm not looking correctly as I've been focuse on "legal".

I found a website here that seems to say that AP ammo is pretty much free of federal laws, with the exceptions of importation and making, making defined as swaging or otherwise creating the projectile itself.

I am a little fuzzy on the issue of a .308 bullet being considered AP while a 30-06 (same projectile) is not, but that isn't the issue.

I haven't done an extensive search for incindiary rounds yet, but tracer ammo seems to also be free of federal interference.

As I live in Louisiana, I don't think state firearm laws will be an issue but I will look into it after I'm done digging around in federal laws.

Basically, is it a violation of current federal law to own/purchase/sell/shoot/load either AP, incendiary, or AP incendiary ammunition? Does anyone have any good info to refer me to on this topic. I'm interested in acquiring some and it all seems to be availible from suppliers on the net, but I want to make sure that I don't need some type of FFL or tax stamp before I even think about purchasing it.

Logically, there doesn't seem to be any problem with owning it, specially the AP, but logic and law don't often find eachother.

And before anyone asks me why I would like it??? because it's cooooooool!

thanks all, I'll be waiting patiently for NavyLT to jump on and school me on federal firearms laws, lol.

 

[WardenWolf]

Nope. No Federal restrictions, except against AP handgun ammo. And I know where you can commercially BUY AP, incendiary, and other nasty variations for pistols, rifles, and shotguns. There's even HEI (High Explosive Incendiary) and it's fully legal. That being said, some states ban different ammo types. Some, like incendiary, make sense due to the risk of fire. Others are just typical anti-gun fearmongering.

 

[Johnny_Come_Lately]

Gecko, the only thing I could find remotely close is from Louisiana Revised Statues:

RS 14:54.2

§54.2. Manufacture and possession of delayed action incendiary devices; penalty

It shall be unlawful for any person, without proper license as required by R.S. 40:1471.1 et seq. to knowingly and intentionally possess or have under his control any instrument, device, chemical or explosive substance which is arranged, manufactured, mixed, or so made up as to be a device or substance which, when exposed to heat, humidity, air, or foreign elements, will after prolongation of time burst into flame, ignite, cause to be ignited, or explode.

This section shall not apply to fireworks possessed within the meaning and contemplation of R.S. 51:650 et seq.

Whoever violates this Section shall be fined not more than ten thousand dollars or be imprisoned at hard labor for not more than twenty years, or both.

Added by Acts 1970, No. 659, §1. Amended by Acts 1974, No. 374, §1; Acts 1979, No. 654, §1.

Not sure how this would be considered...

 

[Sunray]

"...AP ammo is pretty much free of federal laws..." Nope. For some daft reason, .30-06 A P is ok, but .308 is not. Something about there being handguns chambered in .308 available. It's somewhere on the ATF site.
Incendiaries are designed to start fires. API and APTI do too. Evil.

 

[Johnny_Come_Lately]

For some daft reason, .30-06 A P is ok, but .308 is not.

Another glaring example of the utter stupidity of most attempts to restrict the rights of the citizenry.

 

[Geckgo]

Sunray, 3006 is not considered AP, 308 is, but according to what I read, there isn't any federal laws against owning, shooting, or even loading AP rounds. The funny thing to me is that all of the restrictions seem to be about the bullets themselves and not the cartridges, so it's funny cause they both use the same bullets.

Johnny, I will need to look into that. First thing I thought of was firecrackers when I read the first paragraph, nice to see that they made a provision for that. Makes me also wonder how that statute applies to ammo, powder and primers.

 

[Johnny_Come_Lately]

Gecko

I think it all goes back to the circumstances. I really don't know how it would play out.

Assuming there is some reason for LE to become involved to begin with, I think it is going to come down to why they got involved.

 

[Geckgo]

Looking up LA RS 40:1810-40:1812, aparently there is something in there about AP ammo, 40:1810 is a definition of AP ammo.

You are probably right, Johnny, but now days I like to just verify that all my ducks are in a row before I do something uncommon, that way I don't get my fireworks jacked on the 4th of July again! OOhhh, I was mad.

 

[Geckgo]

Okay, here is the LA statutes RS 40:1810-40:1812 <--got these from an anti website

PART IV. ARMOR-PIERCING BULLETS

§1810. Definitions

As used in this Part, "armor-piercing bullet" shall mean any bullet, except a shotgun shell or ammunition primarily designed for use in rifles, that:

(1) Has a steel inner core or core of equivalent density and hardness, truncated cone, and is designed for use in a pistol or revolver as a body armor or metal piercing bullet; or

(2) Has been primarily manufactured or designed, by virtue of its shape, cross-sectional density, or any coating applied thereto, to breach or penetrate body armor when fired from a handgun.

Added by Acts 1983, No. 284, §1.

§1811. Prohibitions

A. No person shall import, manufacture, sell, purchase, possess, or transfer armor-piercing bullets.

B. Whoever violates the provisions of this Section shall be fined not more than one thousand dollars or imprisoned with or without hard labor for not more than one year, or both.

Added by Acts 1983, No.284, §1.

§1812. Exemptions

The provisions of this Part shall not apply to:

(1) Law enforcement officers and employees acting in the lawful performance of their duties.

(2) Law enforcement or other authorized agencies conducting a firearms training course, operating a forensic ballistics laboratory, or specializing in the development of ammunition or explosive ordinance.

(3) Department of Corrections officials and employees authorized to carry firearms while engaged in the performance of their official duties.

(4) Members of the armed services or reserve forces of the United States or Louisiana National Guard while engaged in the performance of their official duties.

(5) Federal officials authorized to carry firearms while engaged in the performance of their official duties.

(6) The lawful manufacture, importation, sale, purchase, possession, or transfer of armor-piercing bullets exclusively to or for persons authorized by law to possess such bullets.

(7) A bonafide collector licensed by the Department of Public Safety.

Added by Acts 1983, No. 284, §1.


Pretty much sums it up.. I have a sad

 

[Bubbles]

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