Zunflge said:
If we don't punish gun manufacturers that comply with this new California law, we WILL have this crap from coast to coast. Period.
I will not purchase a firearm of any kind from a company that produces a "microstamping" model or sells non-microstamping guns to state, county or municipal governments in CA after this law takes effect. The same with the lead ammo ban.
The fifth largest economy will have to do without new guns for while or gunowners will need to display their displeasure in a meaningful way.
If gun makers retool for this "niche" market, they will not have a separate line for the other 49.
You will all get microstamped guns. Even if microstamping doesn't work consistently, you will have to find every single piece of brass you fire, on the off chance that a unique ID number is on it, one that can be traced back to you.
I don't want to punish the gun companies, but I can't think of another disincentive to prevent California-compliant guns from being sold EVERYWHERE. I want you to convince the gun makers to punish California, by threatening to not buy their products if they retool. Maybe some of you "Free Staters" can have your state legislators pass laws that prevent microstamped guns from being sold there.
This entire idea is based on the assumption that if the gun makers comply, then anti-gunners in other states will take up the idea and try this in other states.
*** do you think will happen if your boycott campaign is successful and suddenly there are no handguns sold in Kommifornia?
The main focus is on our state's Law Enforcement, who are of course exempted from the ban, just as they can buy guns that are on the prohibited list, just as they can have magazines that hold more than 10 rounds, etc. Cops are not held to the same laws here as "civilians". No new guns to California LEO, no servicing of existing weapons, and the Law Enforcement and Corrections unions will put the pressure on the state legislators who they already own. Do a search on the California prison system and the union that controls it. It's been handed over to the Feds because the conditions and the overcrowding violate the US Constitution. Corrections officers are considered Law Enforcement here--and they are a formidable political power in this state. Imagine what might happen if they can no longer get new toys.
I'm willing--no,
eager--to see no new semiautos sold to California if Law Enforcement is deprived too--because that is the only way the law will be repealed.
Green lantern said:
As for companies being "punished" and losing a TON of money by writing California off - Honestly - How can the market in ONE STATE compare to the market of FORTY-NINE of them???
It's a big Effing market here, big enough that the makers CAN'T afford to not make their guns compliant, unless the rest of the US shooting market threatens to boycott them. We're the world's
sixth-largest economy! you can bet the makers are ready to retool NOW. You will get a microstamped gun, and YOU will pay a higher price for that gun.
only1asterisk said:
I will not purchase a firearm of any kind from a company that produces a "microstamping" model or sells non-microstamping guns to state, county or municipal governments in CA after this law takes effect.
Yep, he gets the idea, But call them up and tell them. If they hear it from enough of us, they'll be loathe to make the change. The bottom line is what decides it, not idealism.
Hopefully the USSC sides on the side of the 2nd in the DC case so someone in California can try it as an unconstitutional gun ban being that the technology either doesn't exist or doesn't function.
I thought of that, but microstamping isn't a restriction against ownership, at least not directly, so
Parker vs D.C. isn't likely to have an impact against it. Against "May issue" definitely, but not this one.
Clipper said:
Everyone has their price...I would have left CA long ago, but obviously some are willing to stay and dance to the insane music of an asylum that's run by the inmates. Perhaps this will cause more to leave. I myself would like to see the gun manufacturers get together and draw the line at the CA border and simply as a group refuse to do any further business in CA. Sure it would cause a hardship for gun owners who stay there, but I have no sympathy for 'em anymore. Get out. Leave that disease of a state to become the mecca for wierdos, hippies and druggies, gang-bangers and all the other self-deluded idiots nobody else wants, and when the whole place falls into the ocean, we'll get to quit dealing with them at all. For those who make the decision to value whatever hoops they have to jump through over what wonderful RIGHTS they could have elsewhere, all I can do is shake my head.... Those with the capacity for inteligent thought have a few years to get yourselves relocated. Those who stay deserve what they get...
I'd like to get out, but I can't afford to go elsewhere right now. My job skills, and lack thereof, are going to stick me in a big city
somewhere. And honestly, my leaving only helps me. It won't affect California in any measurable way. It won't help anyone else, here or elsewhere.
Can't smoke in a public place? Get fined for not wearing a seatbelt? Hate crime enhancements? Non-lead birdshot? Where do you think these intrusions on our rights get their start? Idaho? Tennessee? Kansas? Unless you flex your collective (oh, the irony) muscles now, you'll be buying microstamped guns whether you know it or not.
As some of you have said, California is screwed--mostly for reasons not even mentioned here. But we're also your canary in the coalmine. When WE drop off our perch, YOU have to take action immediately, or it does you no damn good at all.