Gun manufacturers continue to aid gun banners

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By Ken Hanson, Esq.

Having just devoted a substantial chunk of pro bono legal work fighting governments committed to destroying your gun rights, I was horrified to read the March 2008 editions of several of my favorite gun magazines. Prominently featured in each edition was a feature story about a large manufacturer of 1911-type guns, breathlessly detailing the “gee whiz” details of their newest model dedicated to a California police agency. Each of the stories went into the history of the department the gun was designed for, yet one critical piece of background information was omitted from the tide of “fanboy” coverage.

These guns were all designed for a local government committed to stripping civilians of the right to own this same gun.

Please don’t misunderstand me. I love this particular manufacturer, and I personally carry their product almost daily. I have unreservedly recommended their product to students when asked. Honestly, given a choice, I PREFER their product. But there is no avoiding this conclusion: This manufacturer is designing firearms for police agencies in California at a time when California is committed to abolishing civilian ownership of these same firearms. If any of the gun writers who covered the unveiling of this product chose to question the wisdom of this sell-out, I have not yet found it.

The height of unintended irony comes in the March 2008 American Rifleman, which prominently featured this gun on the cover. Numerous sentences in the review article talked about the gun’s features, the accuracy and the other general minutiae expected of the genre. Flipping a few pages past the review article brings the reader to a separate article talking about how yet another complete handgun ban in San Francisco has been thrown out by a court decision, but the NRA legal team remains ever-vigilant for the next attempt by California to destroy your gun rights.

Think about this for a moment. These governments in California will work continuously to strip civilians of the right to own handguns, whether through outright bans or by requiring “smart gun” technology or other “safety measures” that makes it impractical to sell handguns in the state, or makes it dramatically more expensive to do so. (The fanboy coverage neglected to mention whether this new model is being shipped to the police with chamber microstamping or if it would function with non-lead ammo, in case the police department finds itself in a shootout with nesting condors nearby.) Not to mention the fact that these same local governments are waging a legal jihad against gun manufacturers, attempting to recover money judgments against gun makers for medical treatment costs associated with the criminal misuse of their products.

So in an environment that is committed to the very destruction of the gun industry as a whole, this manufacturer wades in and designs a custom edition gun for a California police agency. This makes as much sense as General George Custer taking a quick look around at Little Bighorn and deciding “This Native American Calvary is pretty high-speed low-drag. Imagine the free P.R. if I was supplying them with custom arrows!”

This manufacturer has placed the short term benefit gained from selling several hundred units to a “prestige” law enforcement agency ahead of the longer term benefit of not dealing with those committed to their very destruction. All police departments rely on private firearm manufacturers, and for far too long police have enjoyed a “good for we but not for thee” atmosphere, thanks to a complicit firearms industry. I, for one, am sick of it, and I am not going to silently abide this absurdity.

It is time that gun owners coalesce and organize to bring these wayward manufacturers into the correct frame of mind. Unfortunately, it is apparent that not all manufacturers are as enlightened as Ronnie Barrett or STI International. In case you do not know the story, Ronnie stopped selling his products in California in response to California banning his rifles. The cherry on top was when he wrote a California police chief and told him to come pick up the department’s rifle, because Ronnie wasn’t working on it and wasn’t shipping it back. Similarly, STI stopped their practice of selling to California Law Enforcement when the chamber microstamping bill was passed.

This is a difficult journey to undertake. This manufacturer, like many others selling to California, supports shooting sports graciously, and is a large advertiser in most gun magazines. The mainstream gun press is not going to rally to this particular flag willingly, and this is understandable. It is uncomfortable to take friends to task for their wayward ways, and it is legitimate to question whether the harm they cause by dealing with California is outweighed by the good this manufacturer does for shooting sports? It is a familiar quandary.

In my analysis, this is an intervention that is very worthwhile. We, the consumers, must intervene to help save gun manufacturers from their self-destructive habits. Like any other intervention, tough love is needed. “We love you, we love your products and want to support you, but we can no longer stand by and watch you destroy yourself.” Make no mistake, this is what is happening. Gun manufacturers are in the co-dependent relationship from Hell, faithfully committed to those that would destroy them. Gun manufacturers blindly believe that these cities do not intend them permanent harm. “Sure, California sues me and bans my products, but they don’t really mean it, and besides, they buy a few of my guns occasionally.”

Girlfriend, it is so over. California would not care if you ceased to exist tomorrow, and the fact that you giddily make guns for the gun banners intent on your destruction has everyone laughing at you, not with you.

This is not a “California problem.” Just as Mayor Bloomberg is trying to regulate gun sales nationwide, California is attempting to regulate the entire firearms industry through their “consumer protection” powers. It is already expensive for a manufacturer to meet California’s requirements, and that expense grows daily with measures like microstamping. Do you honestly feel that manufacturers will segregate this development expense and asses it only against models sold in California, or do you think our gun prices will increase nationwide? That is very much the situation we face today – if you are buying from a manufacturer that does business under California’s absurd laws, you are paying the costs of those absurd laws.

California will continue to pass new law after new law so long as the gun industry continues to sell in the California market. This will continue until 1.) Manufacturers say enough is enough, we aren’t selling in California anymore, or 2.) California gains de facto regulation of the entire firearms industry through our indifference. It will not matter what your local legislative bodies allow, California will be the standard that all must adhere to so long as the industry chooses to sell in California. The costs associated with setting up dual-production runs is simply too prohibitive in a slim profit margin industry like firearms.

So, today I announce project “Correct Kimber.” While I readily acknowledge Kimber’s valuable support of shooting sports, it is my intention to publicly call gun owner’s attention to Kimber’s support for gun banning regimes, and encourage gun owners to do all within their power to correct Kimber’s wayward ways. The Kimber SIS, which is the second example of Kimber fawning over a California police agency, is an exercise in anti-gun idolatry, a tribute to an agency that is part of an apparatus dedicated to the destruction of the firearm industry. Kimber needs to be chastised for this. They aren’t going to self-correct, so gun owners need to encourage Kimber to do so.

Please take a moment to contact Kimber today at 914-964-0771 x324, or via US Mail at Kimber, 2590 Hwy 35, Kalispell, MT 59901. Please be polite, professional yet firm. A suggested script for either a letter or phone call would be:

  • Introduce yourself and any Kimber Products you own.
  • Acknowledge and thank them for their generous support of shooting sports.
  • Say that you are greatly distressed that they are selling to California Law Enforcement departments, and that you think it is wrong that any gun manufacturer deals with agencies of government committed to stripping civilians of the right to own the same pistols Kimber is selling to these law enforcement agencies.
  • Tell them you wish them the best of luck, but as long as they are selling to California Law Enforcement, you will no longer be purchasing Kimber products.
  • You are sending a copy of the letter or making a phone call to your local dealer to share your feelings with the local dealer.
Let us know about any feedback you receive!

Ken Hanson is a gun rights attorney in Ohio and is the attorney of record for Buckeye Firearms Foundation, which filed an amicus brief in the Heller case. He is the author of The Ohio Guide to Firearm Laws, is a certified firearms instructor and holds a Type 01 Federal Firearms License.
 
Excellent point and call to action. I have great respect for Ken Hanson and all the work he has done to protect rights in Ohio and nationally.

I, too, carry a Kimber. I've seen the ads, but not living in California, never really thought about the significance. Count me in.
 
I will not sell to CA and a few other states nor any LE agencies in those states either. I will not sell NFA weapons to LE agencies in a handful of states that are not NFA friendly.

It looks like the single Kimber I have now is the only Kimber I will ever own. They are crossed off the list. Sleeping with the enemy.
 
Several things... I always dislike nonCalifornians talking about CA matters, because they usually don't know what the hell they're talking about.

Firstly, I believe the Kimber SIS gun was less designed for and more 'in honor of' that police subagency. That's to get consumer sales of that gun. SIS or SWAT etc could dial up and get any custom build they wanted from Kimber or Colt or S&W etc. without that model designation.

There actually was some drama involved -because the SIS has had some drama in the past. Appears a decade or two ago SIS units allegedly followed suspects for extended times until violent crimes were actually committed then took them out (at some risk to surrounding innocents). [I believe there was a movie about this with Scott Glenn, even.] This likely has been maginified by some of the lefty antipolice ('they're not criminals, they're deprived') elements in LA gov't.


Secondly, Microstamping... sure, it passed. No, it's not enforceable. READ THE FRIGGIN' LAW - don't bitch until you have. Some friend of NRA on the other side of the aisle slipped wording in so that if the technology is encumbered by any patents/IP issues, it's a no-go. If DOJ Firearms Bureau pushes new regulations anyway, we can stop them at the OAL (Office of Admin. Law) level.

Yes, we do have an approved list of handguns, safety test, etc. But if manufacturers would actually talk to knowledgeable Californians on Calguns or the NRA's CA lawyers they'd know the proper way to get a gun to pass or be exempt in CA. I believe it was Ruger (?) that actually talked to our NRA liason here - a real bright guy with expert gun and legal knowledge - and then promptly went against what he said (not for any technical/cost reason - just didn't "get it"), with a new model not meeting standard.

There are structural/legal problems in the composition of CA's assault weapons laws and safe handgun laws. We've exploited a lot of them in the last two years and post Parker/Heller we'll be having some more fun. I expect, from a practical basis, the laws may stay on the books but everything will just get rubber-stamped at the regulatory agency (BoF).

The real problem forming these gun issues in CA is the lack of a functional Republican party. CA R party leaders have traded political risk for certainty of minority status with a bunch of "safe seats", and have been driven by a near-autistic state leadership that can't see how other more moderate (i.e., abortion/religion/gays) may dislike their positions - which drives their inelectibility in populated suburban metro areas populated with educated professional homeowners. These generally conservative folks are alienated by the CA Rs, so much so they're willing to pay higher taxes by voting for Dems. And without a viable opposition the Democrats in power veer to the left. [Guns are way down the list of concerns in CA middle-swing voters, compared to choice/religion-in-schools, etc.]

In a couple of years, we will have RKBA incorporated in CA (we may have some shortcuts to this!) and then there'll be a sea change.


Bill Wiese
San Jose CA
 
And Kimber is in Noo Yawk...go figure. :rolleyes:

It's strange how so many major gun manufacturers have plants in the ultra liberal northeast. Kimber, Kahr, Springfield, Colt, Smith & Wesson, Ruger, Winchester, Remington, Mossberg, Marlin, Seecamp, etc.
 
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I hear ya...

My ears perked up last night when the msm reported that "for the first time, Chicago police recruits will all carry the same, lightweight, common caliber service pistol, made by Glock." They didn't mention model but I'll bet dollars to donuts, the mag apacity will be more than the 10 allowed by Cook county and Chicago ordinance. This goes hand in hand with the very recent addition of M-4's to the Chicago police cruiser arsenal. This decision implemented days after new CHP Sup Expressed "I see no need why any civilian needs an assault rifle". The constant double standard reeks of Jim Crow and p.s. if any of you think Barak Obama is anything other than a puppet of the Chicago/Daley political machine, pm me and I'll explain. Now I see nothing wrong with voicing our displeasure to Kimber or Glock, but boycott...fugetaboutit! This is capitalism, one unified sanctified gun maker smells like communism to me.:cuss:
 
I've personally made an effort to support gun manufacturers who WON'T sell in states like Cali. and Mass.

All you guys who think this are using flawed logic and do not understand capitalism. Let's say every single firearm manufacturer refuses to sell to CA. What do you think would happen then? Some LEO department or a civilian pro-gun activist type group will solicit a "ban manufacturer" and offer them wild sums of money if they started selling to them again. Let's say Glock caves and agrees to sell them pistols for $1500/each because that is their only option at the time and they'll pay that price. How long will that last? Not long at all. Do you really not think the other manufacturers aren't going to want a piece of that pie? Soon enough, most, if not all, will be back into the game in CA. Now, let's say Ruger caves, too, and offers to undercut Glock and sell their pistols for $1000, which is still FAR above what they normally cost. Glock will have to lower their prices to compete (not talking about brand loyalty or preferences, just business). Then other manufacturers see they can still "get in" and sell their guns for more than they normally could. This would continue until enough were selling back in CA and the market would return to normal. Sure there might be a few minor holdouts on principle like Barrett, but not the big guys...they don't care...it's all about the bottom line.
 
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I'm of two minds on this. On the one hand, you shouldn't support governments that would like to put you out of (legitimate) business. While Kimber would lose their CA LEO contracts and perhaps need to rebrand their SIS line, at least in the short term, and maybe longer if people remember, they would probably gain sales. If I could possibly justify owning a Barrett (and had $5,000 lying around) I'd do so to support his stance.

On the other hand, perhaps this would be a useful wedge. Instead of focusing on how many criminals use guns, people can point to how CA Law Enforcement uses Kimbers (and by extension, all 1911s).
 
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Let's focus on the OP plan of action and not drift into discussions OT.

What I posted was NOT OT. The OP talked about individuals "banning" purchases from Kimber and the like which took the natural progression of manufacturers refusing to sell in a particular state at all. I simply demonstrated that it wouldn't work and it would just be a futile waste of time. I've seen MUCH worse thread drift than that, yet you did nothing and/or let it run on for a gazillion pages.
 
Kimber has very few LE contracts in CA. Maybe LAPD SWAT.

Other areas that would allow officers to carry Kimbers would allow other quality 1911s.

Glock is probably the biggest, along with Beretta and S&W. H&K and Sig somewhat below that.

Many CA depts apparent don't even really have true contracts, as I understand it: given brand(s)/model(s) of gun is approved by dept and officer buys it individually (even if he is reimbursed later).
 
A couple of points about the SIS model. The model was made to SIS specs but the officers PAID for these guns out of their own pockets. There was no contract or guns given to anyone. Also the guns shipped into California and to SIS met the California requirements such as the firing pin safety and such. The SIS models sold outside of California are made to the origional specs and do not have the firing pin safety.
I kind of think this is looking at the wrong place, wrong person type of thing.
These officers are out there doing a tough job and Kimber making a good tool for them to do it is fine by me. It is the administration and leadership of the departments that make up policy. Not the rank and file officers out on the street looking to go home at the end of their shift.
I totally respect what some companies like Barrett and STI have done and support them for making such a bold statement. But boycotting Kimber for making a model dedicated to some hard working police officers that don't control policy doesn't make much sense.
I'm sure it will be pointed out that I have posted in the past that I am a Kimber fan but I have bought them for their function and performance not their marketing. I also own Springfield and Colt and Taurus and S&W, who also do buisness in California and whose guns are carried by California Law Enforcement. Should I boycott all of them also? It will leave the choices for me pretty slim. And god forbid, the world would end if it was suggested that we boycott Glock.:evil: But they also sell to California Law Enforcement.
I understand the reasoning behind asking us to do so. But to single out a single company when basically all gun manufacturers do buisness in the state dosen't see the big picture.It would also seriously impact the gun owners of California if manufacturers pulled their products. And whitout California to push their agenda on the anti's would immediately start looking at other states next.:banghead:
 
boycotting Kimber because they made a special gun for the LAPD is dumb. Where is the logic in that? You might as well boycott GM or Chevy or what ever automaker sells police cruisers to the LAPD.

I would boycott gun makers who endorse legislation that hinders our gun rights, not because they made a gun designed for XYZ police agency.

What about all those people who buy Saigas? Geez, Russia is one of the US's top three enemies, and people still buy Saiga rifles from good ole Russia without complaints.

I don't see the logic. Get rid of the politicians, not the gunmakers.
 
From the OP:
So, today I announce project “Correct Kimber.” * * * Kimber needs to be chastised for this. They aren’t going to self-correct, so gun owners need to encourage Kimber to do so.
The call to action is not a boycott. It is to contact Kimber and express your opinion. This feed back they will hear more loudly than an insignificant dip in sales for no reason known to them. It actually takes much more effort than simply "not buying a Kimber."

There is more than one play in the playbook folks.
 
jeepmor said:
It would be a lot better to get the ammo companies to stop selling to CA law enforcement. That would have a lot more teeth.

Nope, wouldn't work for the same reasons I put in my earlier post about refusing to sell firearms. An ammo manufacturer would eventually get offered some godly huge some of cash for a contract, others would jump in to get that piece of pie, prices come down when most, if not all, are back in the game, market/cost returns to normal, back to square one.
 
I alos do not see the logic in this proposed action. How is it wrong for Kimber to make a gun in honor of, or even for, a california police department. The police departments in Cali aren't proposing gun banning legislature.
 
Just because some manufactures are bold enough to stand up and boycott CA doesn't mean that all other manufacturers are bad for not doing the same.

I'm not going to tell anyone to buy anything other than the pistol that works best for them. In my case it happens to be a Kimber.
 
It is only savvy marketing on the part of Kimber. They are doing what sells pistols.

As for California, God Bless all you good folks being held captive in your own land and the stalwart efforts of the CRPA, but the lunatics have overrun the asylum.
 
I think that Kimber made a wise move. It is well known in the sales industry, that to make a sale, make the person or organization feel good about itself and it's purpose. Boycotting any gun company, would only weaken the company in an industry, that is being attacked daily by someone or some organization.
 
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