Kodiaz
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safety inspection are you for real does that happen somewhere?
16 to babysitjoab ~ 14?? How old is old enough, then?
True, but if the jury decides not to convict, no problem. This is something that judges and proscutors don't like. Just because it's against "a law" the jury can still chose not to convict. In effect, saying that law is stupid.Thefabulousfink said:Thain-
I do agree with your post, but I would like to point out to the other members of this board that if you choose not to follow a law then you also choose to accept the consequences.
Even if a law is illegal/unconstitutional, if you break it know full well that you will face the punishment until the law can be overturned.
I just want everyones eyes open,
thefabulousfink
+1Herself said:Depends on the children, Telperion. My sister's kids, at that age? All but the youngest, who was a bit troubled. My brother's? Nope.
In large part, because my sister's offspring had been around guns and their dad had given them some instruction. They've seen critters and reactive targets shot, had a chance to internalize what guns will and won't do. But my brother's not a shooter; his children don't have that information and experience.
That's why the decision is better left to parents rather than lawmakers: parents are in the best position to know what their kid can be trusted with. You worry their judgement might be bad? Parents can already be held liable for the actions of their minor children, which is as much law as needs to be applied to the situation.
--Herself
You have that wrong. The judge can over rule the jury only in defense of the defendant, i.e., to protect him from the jury. He cannot over rule the jury that has chosen to protect a defendant from a bad law or bad prosecution.V4Vendetta said:"True, but if the jury decides not to convict, no problem. This is something that judges and proscutors don't like. Just because it's against "a law" the jury can still chose not to convict. In effect, saying that law is stupid"
In the US, judges can overrule the verdict for any reason they want. It's a legal thing called "Legal Verdict Not Withstanding". For any reason the judge desires, he can change the verdict. So even if the jury sides with you, you can still lose.
Telperion said:The Carpenter family story is tragic, but it does raise a question for me: how many THR members would feel comfortable, law or no, with giving children of the ages described, unsupervised access to the gun safe? How have you discussed it with them?
To some degree, "yes" - because of the way they were and are raised.Were the 12 year olds of 50 years ago so much more wise than the 12 year olds of today?
From the time I was in 4th grade I had chores as did my sisters.To some degree, "yes" - because of the way they were and are raised.
Well said.CaCrusin said:I had my own guns by the time I was 11. When I was 13, my parents took my newly adopted sister out of town as her sperm-doner father had gotten out of jail and had threatened to kidnap her. I was left with my younger brother and sister. I got a call from the jerk's mother saying that he had just fired a shot through there window and that she was calling the police. I went in to my room, took out my 1911 Government model and loaded it. I put the other kids in the center of the house, quietly watching tv, and waited for him to show up. I knew that if he came, I would shoot him.
I'm glad that I didn't have to do that, but knowing that I could changed me and, I think, for the better.
CaCrusin
Thing is, there are still outposts in this country where folks are oblivious to all this ... presumably, mostly rural areas, where local and country governments not only don't have the resources to monitor all the area's children, but also where the prevailing attitudes toward child-rearing might contain a bit more common sense ... Even in urban areas, there are many who don't understand the power the government has to intercede into their parenting -- until it happens to them, and then they're surprised by it all.The problem is that the government has created the atmosphere where people feel that big brother is in charge of how you raise your kids.