Ashland Oregon Editorial says to Tax Guns at 400 dollars Per Year/ Per Gun

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Found this on one of my favorite blogs http://www.oregoncatalyst.com/, basically this guy is arguing that guns should be taxed at $400/ year per gun. For those of you who dont know the city of Ashland is a super liberal part of Southern Oregon most well known for their pot smoking and the famous Shakespeare festival each year. It is also known as "Little Beirut" by many in Oregon. Here is a link to the Original Article, I noticed you can leave comments so lets fill er up.

http://www.dailytidings.com/2008/1219/stories/1219_oped_guestdixon.php

A gun tax would reduce the number of firearms and deaths



In response to James Farmer's guest commentary, "Banning guns doesn't make you safer" (see Dec. 17 Tidings), I would like to make the following points:

First: Most of what James Farmer wrote was published thoughout the United States many times over the last several years. A Google search for "Firearms Refresher Course" yielded more than 5,000 matches. I've seen references as far back as 2004. Is James Farmer the original author or did he just plagiarize the works of others? As a reader, I am more interested in the original thoughts of authors than in reading letters that have been cut and pasted from other sources.

Second: One reason that so many people are opposed to gun ownership is that guns are, by their very nature and design, very efficient at killing people. While it's possible to kill people using knives and clubs, guns are quicker, easier and more certain. The act of stabbing or hitting another human being can cause the attacker to pause, curtail or lessen his actions. Pulling a trigger is too easy, too quick and too final.

Third: While acknowledging the constitutional right to bear arms, I feel that there may be an economic method to persuade gun owners to part with their guns. Governments sometimes require citizens to collectively bear the costs incurred by a few. Society could say, "Fine, you can have your guns. However, we know that the private ownership of guns causes huge economic losses for our society. We want the owners of guns to collectively pay for those losses." I believe that if the owner of each gun had to pay the pro-rated share of the violence done by all guns, he would be inclined to dispose of the gun quickly.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms estimates that there were 233 million guns in the United States in 1995. In an actuarial study done a few years ago, Jean Lemaire (a professor of insurance and actuarial science at the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania) put the cost of gun violence in the United States at more than $100 billion a year. This equates to more than $400 per gun per year.

If the average gun owner had to pay a $400 tax each year for each gun, it's likely that the gun owner would decide to dispose of some or all of his guns. With fewer guns in existence, the cost of the gun tax would increase the following year. Eventually, an equilibrium would occur where our country would have far fewer guns and far fewer deaths.

Opponents will likely argue that criminals obviously won't pay their gun taxes. In that case, like Al Capone, they can be found guilty of tax evasion and jailed on that much-easier-to-prove charge.

Fourth: Ironically, a gun owner's family is the most likely beneficiary of a gun owner disposing of his guns. According to Kellerman AL, Rivara FP, Somes G, et al, "Suicide in the Home in Relation to Gun Ownership" in the 1992 Vol. 327 No. 7 New England Journal of Medicine, "A gun in the home increases the risk of homicide of a household member by three times and the risk of suicide by five times compared to homes where no gun is present." How does the gun owner balance his love of guns with his love for his family?

Scott Dixon is a retired engineer who lives in Ashland.
 
Guns, what guns I don't own any guns, o ya the receipt you show me here, ya I sold that one last year at a gunshow.:evil::evil::evil:

*disclaimer* not like id ever say that to a cop or anything, or the IRS agent. But that nice new secret room I just built..........:D:D:evil:
 
Same old S***. BS, stupidity, & lies.

Some folks are morons who mean well, and some are just pushing disarmenment of the pheasents any way they can.
 
So to summarize, he's saying that all law-abiding gun owners should have to pay for the transgressions of the criminals. That makes PERFECT sense, I am behind this guy 100%. Who's with me?

Man, sometimes I think they should regulate the 1st like they do the 2nd. There should be a proficiency test and a background check for idiocy before you're allow to publish your "thoughts" (using that term very loosely).

Dope
 
Just looking at the guy who wrote it, he is afraid. He is an old retired engineer who doesn't like guns and sees with todays world it could turn to violence real easy.

Ashland is a liberal drug hole that has turned worse over the years.

jj
 
On equal lines,

Perhaps the media should be taxed at $400 per sentence for their "reporting."

After all, when we are taxing BOR guarantees, why stop at the 2nd Amendment? The 1st is fair game as well by his logic.

And I think that MORE harm has been done to the USA from irresponsible use of media than has been done with a firearm.


It’s funny how the rights that HE chooses to use are more important then the ones that WE use.


This clearly shows that he has NO understanding of what this country was founded on, and the nature of rights as a whole.


-Don't want to incriminate yourself? $400 cash up front and you can use the 5th this year!

-Don't want to quarter troops in your house? $400 cash up front and you can use the 3rd this year!

-Don't want a body cavity search for getting pulled over for a speeding ticket? It's $400 to use the 4th!

-Juries are overrated. If you MUST have one, pay up to use the 6th and 7th!

-Cruel and unusual punishment? Sure you can avoid that. But it will cost you!



Now, don't you complain before you fork over $400 for your right to exercise the 1st Amendment!




-- John
 
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It is also known as "Little Beirut" by many in Oregon.

Note that, should you want to go to a Shakespeare Festival, there's a Shakespeare Festival here, right along the river. It's pretty, and when you're done watching plays, you won't be in Ashland.:)
 
Though this guy was really trying to help the Brady Gun Grabbing Hippies he in fact just really hurt the gun banners cause by posting this garbage.

It is good to see so many losers on the left with zero common sense or ability to formulate logic when constructioning an article.
 
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This type of thing has been tried before. At one time you had to pay a "poll tax" for the right to vote. That was struck down by the USSC as unconstitutional(just like this thing would be).
 
On a side note....


"I can't think of any reason why an HONEST editor would ever need more than 10 words."



-- John
 
>>>Guns, what guns I don't own any guns, o ya the receipt you show me here, ya I sold that one last year at a gunshow.

*disclaimer* not like id ever say that to a cop or anything, or the IRS agentt....<<<

Hell, I would. Screw them.
 
Third: While acknowledging the constitutional right to bear arms, I feel that there may be an economic method to persuade gun owners to part with their guns. Governments sometimes require citizens to collectively bear the costs incurred by a few. Society could say, "Fine, you can have your guns. However, we know that the private ownership of guns causes huge economic losses for our society.

uhhhhh

The GDP of the USA is $15 trillion. The closest 2nd is Japan at $5 trillion. So you are going to have a hard time proving the "economic loss" og owning guns argument.

Also, if this dude knew the first thing about commerce he would have to admit that higher consumption of a product, higher use = higher profit. There is a social PROFIT as well. Why does he think we have the best medical system in the world? Because we have a lot of people getting shot, having heart attacks, getting cancer, et cetera.

All of these people talking about the "cost" of smoking, guns or whatever are idiots. They look at cash as if it is FINITE, which it honestly isn't. It is a renewable resource.
 
It's just anti gun propaganda by the illiterate hairy unwashed.

Perhaps a serious discourse on the evils of a tea tax being the equivalent of a tea ban would illuminate the murky issue on why a "tax ban" on anything is unconstitutional.

Seriously, this guy needs to back to hiding in his closet.
 
This is already a reality in the US

Perhaps you've heard of a 1934 federal law “requiring” the taxing and licensing of "very efficient at killing people" machine guns, silencers and sawed-off shotguns.
 
He slams a previous writer for using information from 2004 and accuses him of plagiarism.....

....then lists the Kellerman study (from 1992) like it's the bible.

Can we say ignorant hypocrite?
 
Is James Farmer the original author or did he just plagiarize the works of others? As a reader, I am more interested in the original thoughts of authors than in reading letters that have been cut and pasted from other sources.

Fourth: Ironically, a gun owner's family is the most likely beneficiary of a gun owner disposing of his guns. According to Kellerman AL, Rivara FP, Somes G, et al, "Suicide in the Home in Relation to Gun Ownership" in the 1992 Vol. 327 No. 7 New England Journal of Medicine, "A gun in the home increases the risk of homicide of a household member by three times and the risk of suicide by five times compared to homes where no gun is present." How does the gun owner balance his love of guns with his love for his family?

So the guy says at the very begining that all he cares about is original though yet he post someone elses thoughts. He cut and pasted just like what he says he was against.Typical liberal, hypocrit.

jj
 
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