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I was going to buy a Mosin Nagant today, but was told I could not buy the gun because my address is on a college campus. I asked if this was a store policy and was told that in a meeting with the ATF all local gun dealers were told they could not sell to people who live on campus. This gun would never be on campus and I made that fact very clear. I am 20 and have never had a problem buying guns or passing a NICS check before. How can the ATF do this? Since the store owner knows me and I have bought from them before I am meeting with him tomorrow to see if I can use my home address since that is the address on my DL and it is in the same state.
 
Wait and see how the meeting goes. But if it doesn't go your way I think your done. The gun store can pick and choose who they want to sell to, private business and all. Shop someplace else I think.


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It is an ATF thing because I checked and the walmart said they were told the same thing. Like I said the guy is trying to work with me because I have been looking at this gun for awhile and am buying it as a birthday present to myself. They know I'm a good guy because I bought an SKS and 80 rounds from them last year and had no issue buying it then. It sounds just like the kind of kneejerk thing they would do.
 
Do us all a favor and get the details of what the ATF told the dealers and either post it here or send the information to the attention of the NRA in case there is some action that can be taken to stop this type of directive from the ATF.
 
If your home is a legal residence, I would use that.

Your best bet would be to got straight to ATF, and request to speak to the RAC. If they give you the same line, ask what the pertinant regulation is.

Then, contact the NRA.
 
That is part of tomorrow. I was told to meet the owner in the morning to discuss it. The workers seem to tremble at the name of the ATF and wouldn't do a thing without the boss's approval. If I can't get it tomorrow I will get in writing what the ATF said or handed out. I don't put up with mickey mouse stuff from any .gov agency that thinks they are higher than the people that pay their salary. I am blessed with just enough political connections to make some noise should I be denied a transaction based on my address. Not allowing a sale because my address is on a college campus is assuming that I will commit a felony by taking it there. That is assuming guilt and that doesn't fly with me.
 
If your home is a legal residence
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Unless it is in another state...ooops, there goes this young man's RKBA based on some ATF guideline they just invented (provided it is true). I guess his RKBA isn't totally gone, he would just have to travel home, buy the gun there then travel back and store it at whatever allowable location near his current campus residence. Big hassle for good guys, no obstacle for bad ones. Our college kids are so much safer.:rolleyes:
 
My parents house (my permanent address) is in the same state. I'm hoping the underlings misunderstood something, but once again this sounds like just the kind of thing the ATF would pull. The fact that a walmart twenty miles away says they were told the same thing is kinda pointing towards the "we're the ATF and can change the rules at will" theory.
 
For what little it's worth, I've never once seen that come up where I work, nor have I ever heard any BATFE agents mention anything like that. I'd be tempted to call up the local BATFE office and ask if they know anything about it.
 
I was under the impression that if a college students lives in the dorms, his permanent, official residence is his "regular" house, his parent's house, the place he goes to over summer break, or whatever you want to it.
 
I wasn't at the meeting they were at, but I have been to similar meetings that the ATF holds for dealers. I have heard things like "a college student's actual residence is most likely his parents house." Obviously this isn't the case all the time.

At some level, this may have been morphed into "College addresses are not the residences we want listed on the 4473, so don't complete a sale if someone lists a college address."

Also, unless you brought supporting government-issued documents ("such as a tax document") showing that the address you wrote on the 4473 is in fact the place you live (since that address is different than your address on your DL) your dealer cannot complete the sale anyway.
 
Resolution: I went back this morning and talked to the owner that knows me. He then called the ATF and talked to the chief inspector. It turns out I am considered to have a dual residence. I can use either one assuming I can prove that I live at both. If I use my college address it's assumed I will either be giving the gun to someone else and am committing a straw purchase or bringing it on campus, that is how I understood it. I used my home address and was given a proceed. I am assuming that if I had given my college address it would have been denied. If I was from out of state, or if my parents were dead and I lived on campus, I would have been out of luck. The owner got ATF audited last month, and we made sure it was in the clear. As it is I have a safe and secure place off campus for my guns, and it will probably go home to my safe this weekend anyway. Oh, I got a 91/30 Itzeck(sp?) made in 1940 with a brand new barrel on it.
 
I am assuming that if I had given my college address it would have been denied.
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Not by NICS it wouldn't be. Your address does not get entered into a NICS check. Your state law may vary on what gets entered, but even then I have a hard time believing that the criminal database computer has a range of addresses it qualifies as "school property" that would allow it to deny purchase based on your address.

Glad everything worked out for you.
 
Ok glad to hear you got your gun. Secondly, this is a good thread lets not start the WACO debate here or it will get locked. ..... Now ruby ridge on the other hand....... (JK don't want to start that debate either.)
 
If I use my college address it's assumed I will either be giving the gun to someone else and am committing a straw purchase or bringing it on campus
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I suppose they can get by with just about anything these days, but if they can deny purchase on assumptions what is next ? How about if you live in a high crime area ? The assumption may be that you will use the firearm for crime - no stretch realy from the college campus issue. Federal government does not regulate the gun free zones , and the straw purchase is already covered in the 4473 . To assume a straw purchase based on where you are living seems to me to be a stretch of authority, and to regulate via federal law? what is allowed on a college campus is also disturbing to me, but what do I know. I'm just one of the pesants .
 
Next thing you know, BATFE won't let you buy a gun if your name is Goldblum or Rosen. Jeese what's up with these guys. Can they just arbitrarily make up rules on the fly? Since when do they seek to preempt someone violating state law? Are dealers expected to know which addresses are on post-secondary educational institutions throuout the entire state?


AAAhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Clearly if you were buying the gun at your school address you were going to use it in a school shooting. By buying it for your home address countless lives were saved.
 
Dude..you're 20... finish up school, then start playing with guns...Plenty of time.
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The value of the dollar is plunging, our government is increasing spending and taxing, the UN and ATF are making it hard to import guns now, and I see no reason not to invest in things that hold real value instead of hold onto pieces of fiat money that claim to be worth what a government that seems bent on bankrupting our country says it is. I am double majoring in Mechanical Engineering and Business and planning on an MBA so I doubt that I will be out of school any time soon. I'm willing to bet that in the next four years the Democrats will get the house, senate, and presidency, repeal the Bush tax cut, increase taxes on high earners, gas will be at least $4 a gallon, and college tuition will drop dramatically through government funding. I don't like it, I don't want that to happen and will vote against it every chance I get, but sadly the trends are pointing that way. I already have a marketable trade skill or two and am not hurting for money. If I want to buy guns instead of trick out my car with things that actually make it perform worse and waste gas or spend it on booze like so many of my generation then so be it.
 
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