Hatchett
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So is this undeniable proof that the ATF is actually a group of undercover pirates?
"ATF rids Univ. of ninja threat"
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engineer151515
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Seeing a compliant suspect with a knee across the neck - THAT sir, is what's "not right".
The BATF truly needs a "controlling authority".
odysseus
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What I hate about this is there is no explanation why an ATF officer is on a college campus and instead of calling campus security felt it necessary to command the situation of an oddly dressed person himself, ala the camera phone picture. As if no one has seen people dress differently on a college campus, like their might be something simple to explain it - if it even deserves explaining in the first place! 
stuuuuupid.
I think it adds something to the list about the hiring of, training, and culture of the BATF. Yet again they have made fools of themselves.
stuuuuupid. I think it adds something to the list about the hiring of, training, and culture of the BATF. Yet again they have made fools of themselves.
thereisnospoon
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Mall Ninjas beware!
Okay, the truth is, seeing this guy runnning around a campus in the "getup" was suspicious, but we are talking about a college campus, where young adults (some "younger" than others) like to relax and enjoy the occasional Pirate vs. Ninja thingy-party-thing.
The F-Troop probably wanted to do the right thing by making sure it was just a prank, skit, whatever, and not the invasion we all fear. hindsight says it would have been better to call in the campus cops and let them handle it...but the F-troop probably couldn't see past the headlines...
"ATF Agents Capture Ninja Squad Thwart Terror Atack!"
Okay, the truth is, seeing this guy runnning around a campus in the "getup" was suspicious, but we are talking about a college campus, where young adults (some "younger" than others) like to relax and enjoy the occasional Pirate vs. Ninja thingy-party-thing.
The F-Troop probably wanted to do the right thing by making sure it was just a prank, skit, whatever, and not the invasion we all fear. hindsight says it would have been better to call in the campus cops and let them handle it...but the F-troop probably couldn't see past the headlines...
"ATF Agents Capture Ninja Squad Thwart Terror Atack!"
READ THE ARTICLE FOLKS!
"Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearm agents, on campus Tuesday for Project Safe Neighborhoods training.........."
Anyway read the end:
"Ransom said Williamson (UGA Police Chief) told him the incident should not have been handled in such a manner and he would file a complaint with the ATF"
So at least one complaint will be filed.......
"Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearm agents, on campus Tuesday for Project Safe Neighborhoods training.........."
Anyway read the end:
"Ransom said Williamson (UGA Police Chief) told him the incident should not have been handled in such a manner and he would file a complaint with the ATF"
So at least one complaint will be filed.......
Autolycus
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That is a good point about the cops dressing up like ninjas. They say that the KKK wore masks so that others could not identify them when they did their evil deeds. Could it be the ATF, like the KKK, knows what they are doing is wrong and is ashamed.
I am glad the young man is filing a complaint. I doubt it will get anywhere though.
I am glad the young man is filing a complaint. I doubt it will get anywhere though.
odysseus
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Yeah, I did. That's what I mean - what the heck is the Federal ATF doing college campus training on some "Project Safe Neighboorhoods"??? Isn't this outside of their jurisdiction and intent as an organization? Is that a local/state issue - and at most FBI?
What were they teaching? Pay your taxes on firearms, alcohol and tobacco? Be sure to fill out the forms correctly when you buy a firearm?
wheelgunslinger
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Why, for his own protection. Or, in plainspeak, so he doesn't do anything to warrant having the crap beat out of him by the BATF agents in question, of course. Like, breathe, continue his kreb cycle, continue homeostasis, release alpha waves from his brain, not feel the least bit initimdated, etc.
That's the general excuse.
Middle aged white guys with government jobs and badges tend to not like the freedom wallowed in and asserted by college students (not to mention their youthful optimism) since it reminds them that they sold out some time ago and The Man™ owns them. Hence the knee on the neck.
Paging Dr. Freud. Dr. Freud to the student union!
Edit: And I hope the student sues the crap out of the BATF for this and uses the money to get a legal degree, start a foundation for fair practices of Federal agents, or at the least a watchdog organization.
ElTacoGrande
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There's the problem right there.
If we didn't have the BATF, who would defend us from college ninjas??
HankB
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Well, IIRC FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi was indicted by the state for killing Vicki Weaver in Idaho. Sadly, the Feds seized jurisdiction for the purpose of subsequently dropping the charges as part of the official whitewash and coverup. Since there's no statute of limitations on murder, there was some hope that Clinton's successor would do something. (Nothing from the Bushmen. Glad I wasn't holding my breath waiting.)
From the picture posted above, I note that 1) the guy on the ground has a white stripe on the side of his pants - not very Ninja-like, more like part of a jogging suit; and 2) He must be a really, really lousy runner if the NON-UNIFORMED pudgy guys standing around and/or kneeling on his neck caught him. (I guess BATmen like Krispy Kreme, too.)
I guess I can jump in with a few points:
BATFE is cross training in many areas with the locals to combat illegal gun flow. It is much faster with longer sentences for felons with guns in federal court. Not sure though how thier jurisdiction changes to allow this type of enforcment.
Lets be fair about one thing, There is a guy on a college campus wering black clothing and a red bandana covering his head and face. This is a Blood Gang dress and is commonly worn by that gang when commiting gang hits, robbrey, ETC. If the agents in question had ignored him and someone would have been killed by the masked man they saw everyone would be attacking them for failure to act. D$%ned if you do D#$ned if you don't.
Pretty sure making a phone call while resting your knee on a suspects neck is a really bad idea. After secured a suspect should be seated upright and tended to as needed. Staying on the neck is grounds for a valid complaint or civil claim.
Over all not all bad or all good, needs work.
BATFE is cross training in many areas with the locals to combat illegal gun flow. It is much faster with longer sentences for felons with guns in federal court. Not sure though how thier jurisdiction changes to allow this type of enforcment.
Lets be fair about one thing, There is a guy on a college campus wering black clothing and a red bandana covering his head and face. This is a Blood Gang dress and is commonly worn by that gang when commiting gang hits, robbrey, ETC. If the agents in question had ignored him and someone would have been killed by the masked man they saw everyone would be attacking them for failure to act. D$%ned if you do D#$ned if you don't.
Pretty sure making a phone call while resting your knee on a suspects neck is a really bad idea. After secured a suspect should be seated upright and tended to as needed. Staying on the neck is grounds for a valid complaint or civil claim.
Over all not all bad or all good, needs work.
JohnBT
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Virginia law prohibits wearing a mask in public, although there are a few exceptions made.
Here's an excerpt from a newspaper account:
"The officer told me I was stopped for wearing a mask in public.
That's a violation of a state law originally enacted to combat the Ku Klux Klan.
"But it's not an outright prohibition," Benjamin said. Exceptions are made for Halloween and other holiday costumes, protective masks and "modified theatrical productions."
Once police realized what Coppola was up to, they realized his mask fell under the theatrical exception, Powers said.
But because he failed to obey several orders to stop, Coppola was charged with resisting arrest -- obstructing justice, in legal parlance -- a class 1 misdemeanor with maximum penalties of 12 months in jail and a $2,500 fine.
He's due in court on Feb. 24."
Here's an excerpt from a newspaper account:
"The officer told me I was stopped for wearing a mask in public.
That's a violation of a state law originally enacted to combat the Ku Klux Klan.
"But it's not an outright prohibition," Benjamin said. Exceptions are made for Halloween and other holiday costumes, protective masks and "modified theatrical productions."
Once police realized what Coppola was up to, they realized his mask fell under the theatrical exception, Powers said.
But because he failed to obey several orders to stop, Coppola was charged with resisting arrest -- obstructing justice, in legal parlance -- a class 1 misdemeanor with maximum penalties of 12 months in jail and a $2,500 fine.
He's due in court on Feb. 24."
Creeping Incrementalism
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Shield529 said:
You're joking, right?
RevDisk
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Uh... Just out of curiousity, but is that standard LEO practice on a college campus?
During my time at college, most campus police would have simply asked why the student was wearing the mask. Not drawn their sidearms, wrestled the kid to the ground, and planted a knee while restrained.
Hope the kid files and wins a lawsuit.
Why would I be joking. Would you like a link that I find useful where new gargs enter the area
http://www.knowgangs.com/gang_resources/bloods/bloods_001.htm
There now you may look for yourself.
http://www.knowgangs.com/gang_resources/bloods/bloods_001.htm
There now you may look for yourself.
Kodiaz
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I think they were there to see if they could find some potential arsonists to recruit. Shield college campuses have books. Books are like kryptonite to gang members.
Come to think of it do you think if an ATF agent touches the bill of rights that they will turn to ash like a staked vampire?
Come to think of it do you think if an ATF agent touches the bill of rights that they will turn to ash like a staked vampire?
Nightcrawler
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I think the ATF is in league with the Pirates. Pirates, being the age-old nemesis of Ninjas, will sink to unbelievable depths to win their eternal war.
I too am curious as to why F-Troop was hanging around a college campus. I like also how their first reaction, upon seeing a masked, but obviously unarmed man, was to pull their guns on him in the middle of a campus crowded with students. Shots fired not only would've endangered countless bystanders, but would've started a panic to boot.
*sigh*
Hmm...ATF on campus...that sounds familliar...
I too am curious as to why F-Troop was hanging around a college campus. I like also how their first reaction, upon seeing a masked, but obviously unarmed man, was to pull their guns on him in the middle of a campus crowded with students. Shots fired not only would've endangered countless bystanders, but would've started a panic to boot.
*sigh*
Hmm...ATF on campus...that sounds familliar...
Erebus
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Does Virginia law apply to Georgia?
Jogging down a commonly used walkway in broad daylight?
How was anything more than, "Why you wearin the mask kid?", necessary?
And college campuses are known to be popular gang hangouts, expecially in broad daylight. :banghead: I guess some people will go to whatever length necessary to defend law enforcement.
Edit: Erebus beat me to it, I hate it when work distracts me from The High Road.
Reality check, there are members of Bloods, Crip Etc. in college on every campus in America. I have worked for campus police and yes they do commit crimes in broad daylight just like all other criminals. There are also gang member attorneys, law enforcement, firefighters, and a LARGE number in the U.S. Military. They do not all fit into your mental picture of a gang member.
I do not go to any lenghts to defend law enforcement read my post again. But if your wife was mugged or raped by a masked man on campus and you found out ANY law enforcement agency saw that man and did not check it out you would be up in arms, don't lie.
I do not go to any lenghts to defend law enforcement read my post again. But if your wife was mugged or raped by a masked man on campus and you found out ANY law enforcement agency saw that man and did not check it out you would be up in arms, don't lie.
CrisOR
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Black and Red also happen to be the colors of the University of Georgia, where this incident occurred. I'd expect 50% of the people on campus to be wearing those colors.
Lupinus
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To late, at this rate we are. The norm or not when it is allowed without being punished as the rest of us would be it is close enough.
Holy Cow! When you consider the following:
The only logical conclusion is that at least 50% of the University of Georgia is a seething hive of Blood Gang activity! No wonder our valiant BATFE anti-ninja forces were on high anti-skinny-guy-with-a-bandana alert!
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The only logical conclusion is that at least 50% of the University of Georgia is a seething hive of Blood Gang activity! No wonder our valiant BATFE anti-ninja forces were on high anti-skinny-guy-with-a-bandana alert!
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