Attorney blames the gun: IT ‘HAS NO SAFETY’

[usmarine0352_2005]

Even though this gun had a safety, I still don't know of any gun that goes off just sitting there without the trigger being pulled.

The article says that it was a Sig Sauer. I don't know of any Sigs that don't have safeties but perhaps it does not. Still does not change the fact that he pulled the trigger causing the pistol to fire. It doesn't specify what Sig model it was, I'd assume it is whatever the Bureau of Land Managment permits.


Obviously he is a felon and isn't supposed to have a gun but I'm sure his attorney is pressing for a lesser charge or dropping of certain charges.





http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/09/08/attorney-in-steinle-case-blames-gun-it-has-no-safety/

ATTORNEY IN STEINLE CASE BLAMES GUN: IT ‘HAS NO SAFETY’

by AWR HAWKINS8 Sep 2015

Last week Matt Gonzalez–attorney of alleged gunman Juan Francisco Lopez-Sanchez–agreed with testimony that Lopez-Sanchez allegedly shot Kathryn Steinle but argued that it was the gun’s fault. He suggested the gun went off without the trigger being pulled because it “has no safety.”

Gonzalez responded by blaming the gun, a .40 caliber Sig Sauer that had been stolen from a federal agent who works for the Bureau of Land Management. He says the gun “has no safety” and claims “there is no evidence that [Lopez-Sanchez] put his finger in the trigger.”

It is interesting to note that Lopez-Sanchez reportedly told police at one point “that he was shooting at a seal or a black fish.” He would need to put his finger on the trigger and pull it to do that.

 

[Panzerschwein]

Any idea whay model Sig we're talking about here?

 

[Tommygunn]

I don't know of any Sigs that don't have safeties but perhaps it does not. Still does not change the fact that he pulled the trigger causing the pistol to fire.

It depends upon what type of safety you mean. I have a Sig 2022 that has no safety if you mean a little rotating switch on the left side of the receiver that you flick up or down. There are safeties built into the gun. I have a P290 that is the same.
But as I said it depends upon what kind of safety you mean.

 

[M-Cameron]

*“there is no evidence that [Lopez-Sanchez] put his finger in the trigger.”

I'm pretty sure the gun firing is evidence enough......but what do I know....I'm sure the lawyer and gunman have both gone through far more extensive firearms training than I have....

 

[ny32182]

Most Sigs that are likely to be used in a duty capacity (226, 229, etc) do not have external safeties, but, this is obviously a lawyer with no mechanical knowledge of firearms grasping at straws.

 

[old lady new shooter]

Most Sigs that are likely to be used in a duty capacity (226, 229, etc) do not have external safeties, but, this is obviously a lawyer with no mechanical knowledge of firearms grasping at straws.

I hope the Steinle family has a lawyer who is either knowledgable about firearms or smart enough to hire an expert who is.

 

[usmarine0352_2005]

My mistake, a lot of Sigs don't have 'safeties'. I have a Sig P220 and I it only has a decocker, no safety.



I made a mistake in the OP because I read this story and then mixed it up with the above story. This story says he had a Glock and they have the Glock Safe Action Trigger safety.






http://www.guns.com/2015/09/08/this-gun-has-no-safety-says-lawyer-of-illegal-alien-in-murder-trial/

‘This gun has no safety’ says lawyer of illegal alien in murder trial

9/08/15 | by Chris Eger

Attorneys for an undocumented immigrant facing charges in the high-profile death of a woman on San Francisco’s Pier 14 contend it may be the gun’s fault.

Juan Francisco Lopez-Sanchez, 45, a Mexican national with at least five deportations under his belt, contends he shot Kathryn Steinle by accident with a found gun now tied to the U.S. Bureau of Land Management. California Superior Court Judge Brendan P. Conroy on Friday found there is enough evidence for Lopez-Sanchez to stand trial on charges of second-degree murder for his alleged involvement in the woman’s death. However, his legal team contends that the man never pulled the trigger and claimed the type of handgun involved is documented for having accidental discharges.

The firearm involved in the shooting, described by the San Francisco Chronicle as a .40 caliber Glock, was confirmed stolen from a BLM ranger’s car while the agent was in the city on business just four days prior to Steinle’s death. While the gun was reported stolen to authorities, local law enforcement did not collect forensic evidence from the crime scene.

 

[Hookeye]

There's a special place in Hell for such attorneys.

BTW a gun can go off without the trigger pulled.

But then it must receive a blow to a firing mechanism or have been cocked and then had a failure/contaminate or impact.

Many people who lack mechanical understanding also are deaf in their hands.............don't know what they are doing/touching.
Had a supposed shooter trip my 28 oz M600 Remington trigger and scream I set it incorrectly. Told him to keep his dang finger out of the trigger guard when closing the bolt.

This guy a hunter shooter for 20 yrs.

Yeah, he probably believed the CNBC show.

I beat the gun on the ground, cocked, safety on and off. Almost splitting the stock.

Watched him from the start and knew what was going to happen.

It NEVER tripped when I did it. But then I think 28oz is a HEAVY trigger.
You'll see ADs from older folks and or those with diabetes, that have lost feeling in their fingers.

And yeah, scared, befuddled, stupid or dishonest...........most will SWEAR they didn't touch the trigger.

And they are wrong.

 

[usmarine0352_2005]

There's a special place in Hell for such attorneys.

BTW a gun can go off without the trigger pulled.

But then it must receive a blow to a firing mechanism or have been cocked and then had a failure/contaminate or impact.

Correct, but his story doesn't say he dropped it. He says he picked it up and it went off.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

“there is no evidence that [Lopez-Sanchez] put his finger in the trigger.”

The gun went off, didn't it?

 

[ny32182]

Sigs, like all modern duty guns have an internal firing pin block that is not pushed out of the way unless the trigger is pulled. So any blow to the firing mechanism, unless it included a pull of the trigger, would have to be strong enough to physically smash the firing pin right through the firing pin block. Not likely.

This argument is like saying there is no proof a DUI guy put his foot on the gas prior to headlonging it into that minivan. You aren't going to need an "expert" to disprove it. It is simply non-sensical. Likely the case against him is air tight and the lawyer is just dreaming up ANYTHING he can think of, and hoping for a jury of complete idiots.

 

[lechiffre]

“there is no evidence that [Lopez-Sanchez] put his finger in the trigger"

I am afraid I am going to have to agree with the esteemed attorney on this point.

How does one put a finger in a trigger ?

 

[TruthTellers]

Typical lawyer scum. Can't wait for their day of reckoning.

 

[danez71]

That article is an embarrassment to Reporting, never mind Journalism.

If anyone wants to have a shred of info should just search for the gunman last name.

I'm on vacation otherwise I'd post a few links.

The defense is throwing stuff hoping something might stick. They've claimed it was a ricochet.... it was the gun... the defendant said when arrested he was shooting at seals .... he found the gun under a bench and it went off when picked it up.

So many conflicting stories from this 5 time deported man that was just released prior to this incident because of uncooperative LEA/City sanctuary laws.

Initially, a witness represent seeing him walk up behind her and pointing the gun at her back. There hasn't been much mentioned about that since?

This case is as much a political trial as it is a criminal trial with some of the Dems that supported the sanctuary laws trying to save face.

This thread likely will be locked due to the political saturation.

 

[Deanimator]

Most Sigs that are likely to be used in a duty capacity (226, 229, etc) do not have external safeties, but, this is obviously a lawyer with no mechanical knowledge of firearms grasping at straws.

No, this is obviously a desperate lawyer with a loser client and loser case.

The proverbial "hail Mary" play.

 

[Deanimator]

How does one put a finger in a trigger ?

It involves extremely strong magnetic fields.

Listen to Coast to Coast long enough and they'll have a guest on talking about the "Philadelphia Experiment".

I will admit to harboring some doubts as to whether the suspect had the resources...

 

[jrdolall]

As much as I dislike a lot of defense attorneys I have to acknowledge that he is bound to try everything he can in order to get his client acquitted. It really doesn't matter how much of a low life POS the client might be, he is still entitled to adequate defense.

I would gladly administer "justice" to this guy.

 

[Red Wind]

Are there any current (last 180 years) revolvers with a safety?

And yes, even used car and magazine salesmen (which I used to be} and politicians, have a higher standing in the public eye than attorneys.

However, it's unfair, There are some good ones, including my oldest,dearest friend since 1962. He's gotten me out of a lot of scrapes.

 

[gun_with_a_view]

Gonzalez responded by blaming the gun, a .40 caliber Sig Sauer that had been stolen from a federal agent who works for the Bureau of Land Management. He says the gun “has no safety” and claims “there is no evidence that Lopez-Sanchez put his finger in the trigger.”

That line could find some traction with a California jury. Never mind the facts.

 

[usmarine0352_2005]

Gonzalez responded by blaming the gun, a .40 caliber Sig Sauer that had been stolen from a federal agent who works for the Bureau of Land Management. He says the gun “has no safety” and claims “there is no evidence that Lopez-Sanchez put his finger in the trigger.”

I wonder how the BLM could choose such a dangerous and unreliable firearm as their duty weapon!

 

[TomJ]

This is simply a POS attorney playing to the segment of the population that's either anti gun or ignorant about firearms.

I'm not a licensed attorney, but do have a law degree. Attorneys are required to zealously defend their clients, but are not supposed to lie. I'm curious as to whether he actually believes the nonsense he's spouting.

 

[jrdolall]

I'm not a licensed attorney, but do have a law degree

I took the LSAT back in 1985 and was accepted to law school but really couldn't see myself defending scum or sitting at a desk going through paperwork all day so I became a salesman. That way I could lie and people expected it.

 

[Red Wind]

I took the LSAT back in 1985 and was accepted to law school but really couldn't see myself defending scum or sitting at a desk going through paperwork all day so I became a salesman. That way I could lie and people expected it.

You made a big mistake!

 

[cane]

Red Wind, I have 2, both Webleys made in the 1950s.

 

[WestKentucky]

So...boil this explanation down... the guys story is he finds a gun wrapped in a shirt. He knows he can't posess it, so fiddling with it is a crime in and of itself. He accidentally shoots a girl. So, basically his point is that he was trying to commit one crime but accidentally committed another. Why can't I volunteer for this jury?