Attorneys on Retainer self defense program

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I'm not sure if this belongs here or possibly in the legal section, so mods move it if necessary. I've had USCCA for a number of years. A couple of days ago someone brought this program to my attention and I was wondering if anyone was familiar with it. It has plusses and minuses compared to the USCCA program. The benefits that jumped out at me is the fact that they'll defend you in more scenarios as they're a law firm and not insurance and you can pick your own attorney as opposed to the USCCA assigning one to you (you can request your own but they can reject it). The video in the second link gives me pause, as I'm not impressed with the way the attorney comes across and it gets a little silly with a woman fanning herself with cash at one point. I was wondering if anyone had thoughts regarding them.



 
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The video in the second link gives me pause, as I'm not impressed with the way the attorney comes across and it gets a little silly with a woman fanning herself with cash at one point. I was wondering if anyone had thoughts regarding them.

That's just typical Arizona Goofy Shyster Advertising (he's located in Chandler). Most of those guys have huge staffs and if you ever need them it's almost guaranteed you'll end up with the guy who's just passed the bar exam. I'd pass. @Dave DeLaurant's advice is much better, IMO.
 
This is a slight tangent, but Mas shares some good advice here on selecting a self-defense lawyer:


Here's the group Ayoob is affiliated with:

Thanks for this info. I just switched from the USCCA to them. I was happy with the USCCA, but this is a better fit for me.
 
I have an attorney on retainer that I set up on my own.
This.

Buying into these “plans” generally means you’ll get a free consult for a specific amount of time and generalized advice. I wouldn’t be shocked if whomever you get on your initial consult isn’t even admitted to practice in your location, but maybe I’m wrong.

I routinely turn these plans down when they solicit me (along with all the other legal plans). I just don’t see the value for the average citizen. Save your premiums for the retainer you will need if something really goes down, and hire the guy in your area that hunts and fishes with the judge.
 
This.

Buying into these “plans” generally means you’ll get a free consult for a specific amount of time and generalized advice. I wouldn’t be shocked if whomever you get on your initial consult isn’t even admitted to practice in your location, but maybe I’m wrong.

I routinely turn these plans down when they solicit me (along with all the other legal plans). I just don’t see the value for the average citizen. Save your premiums for the retainer you will need if something really goes down, and hire the guy in your area that hunts and fishes with the judge.
That depends on the program. The USCCA has you use their attorneys with the option of selecting your own, assuming the attorney would accept the USCCA's terms. It's one of the things I didn't like about the program. Armed Citizen's Network allows you to select whatever attorney you want. I expect them to live up to their commitments with the understanding that there's no guarantee they will. If they don't I'm out $150 per year, which is a drop in the bucket compared to what I'll have to spend defending myself so the downside of joining them is minimal. Assuming they do live up to their commitments it'll save me a small, or maybe not so small fortune.
 
What plans cover you if you have a SD event when you are in a gun-free zone or other prohibited place (a property owned by a church without having specific permission for example)?
 
IMO, most of these plans are scams.

Save your money and hire a lawyer if and when needed. (Research the lawyers in your area ahead of time, so that you'll know whom to call.)

And pray that you'll never need a lawyer, while always acting in a way that will minimize your exposure.
 
It's important to choose a criminal defense lawyer that has actual experience defending armed self-defense cases.

Most criminal defense lawyers only get one or two genuine self-defense cases in their entire career and are unfamiliar with the depth and breadth of laws surrounding the use of force in self-defense.

I'm a member of Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network, which is more of a co-operative than "insurance". I'm also a platinum member of Andrew Branca's Law of Self-Defense.
 
What plans cover you if you have a SD event when you are in a gun-free zone or other prohibited place (a property owned by a church without having specific permission for example)?I

I think all of them have exclusions relieving them of responsibility if you are breaking a law.
 
I think all of them have exclusions relieving them of responsibility if you are breaking a law.
With the exception of the one in the thread title. Their web site says,

We will also cover your self-defense case, even if:​

  • You are charged or convicted of a criminal act.
  • You take plea deal.
  • You used an illegal weapon or firearm.
  • The incident occurred in a gun-free zone.
  • You are a prohibited possessor.
  • You were impaired by any drugs or alcohol.
  • The incident is deemed a domestic dispute.
  • You failed to possess or possessed an invalid concealed weapons permit.
  • The incident involved a negligent or accidental discharge of your firearm.
  • You are not charged with a crime. We will represent you in court as a victim and deal with the press if the bad guy is charged.
 
aaaaa: Most of those situations you listed are pretty 'shaky'.

They seem to be a "Jack of all trades" regarding various scenarios.

If somebody lives in one of our many cities where DAs have very soft hearts for violent criminals, I suppose that some of those DAs could try to twist anything into a charge which actually has no merit at all.
 
Save your money and hire a lawyer if and when needed.
...and...the $20-$60 a month 'savings' equals the initial consult and 1st filing of complaint or answering, right? Is this before or after bail again?
And pray that you'll never need a lawyer, while always acting in a way that will minimize your exposure.
I would always advise staying out of harms way, I cannot pull a trailer behind me full of law books nor if I could, could I find the relevant sections.

I DO have a basic 1st aid kit, but beyond band aids, ointment I'm notta Dr. either

Oh BTW depending on the case, high profile, your prosecutor in your area, city vs county, election year etc., have an extra $10K to start the conversation.
 
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...and...the $20-$60 a month 'savings' equals the initial consult and 1st filing of complaint or answering, right? Is this before or after bail again?
The situation with these gun legal plans is the same as with Car Shield (and the like) for auto repairs. Actuarially, these are all bad bets for the consumer. I would say that gun legal plans are an even worse bet than Car Shield. The chances of having to use their services are remote, and then, if you do need them, they will find ways of weaseling out of paying.
 
I use CCW Safe....but because I value MY butt and MY freedom and MY possessions more than some turd I may have to schwack, and because I hate crusading prosecutors....I have a $2 million dollar personal liability policy that I started before I retired and kept.

Just understand that if your lawyer shows up wearing busted down shoes, a polyester blend shirt, and you can hear change jingling in his pocket...you're going to prison.
 
aaaaa: Most of those situations you listed are pretty 'shaky'.
Yeah, of them I would like the following in addition to my USCCA membership:
  • You are charged or convicted of a criminal act.
  • [doesn't mean you are truly guilty of it]

  • The incident occurred in a gun-free zone.
  • [very easy to happen]

  • The incident involved a negligent or accidental discharge of your firearm.
  • [they might charge you with this for a valid SD action]

Meanwhile I better be sure that if I find myself in a gun free zone with my gun that I don't get into a SD situation. One of my problems is that my mother-in-law is in an assisted living facility owned and run by a church. We go there often and it would be very easy to forget and carry inside the facility. Not going to get permission to carry either with that particular church because they are Anabaptists (Amish, Mennonite, etc.).
 
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