Aussie gun study, and interesting newspaper reaction

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This cognitive disconnects in this editorial are amusing, but some light does, in fact, begin to penetrate the darkness....



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http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/...ot-down-the-law/2006/10/25/1161749188302.html

Study no excuse to shoot down the law
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AdvertisementRESEARCH showing that the Australian gun buyback had no effect on the rate of gun homicide in Australia may have surprised and disappointed many people. Given that countries where more people own guns generally have more firearm homicides, it seemed sensible after the Port Arthur massacre in 1996 to try to reduce the number of people owning firearms in Australia. So why didn't the policy work?

Before answering this question it is important to be clear about what the research shows and what it does not.

First, although the authors of the study admit to being members of gun clubs, the study was well conducted and published in an internationally respected, peer-reviewed journal. It would be unfair to accuse the authors of "cooking the books" to achieve a certain result.

Second, the study does not show that the National Firearms Agreement was a failure. There have been no mass shootings since it was enacted. We cannot be sure this is because of the agreement, but it is too early to dismiss the possibility, either.

Further, the study found evidence suggesting the drop in the number of suicides involving firearms accelerated after the agreement. This is good news although, as the authors of the study point out, we can't be sure it is due to the agreement or the gun buyback.

Third, it would be wrong to infer from the study that it does not matter how many guns there are in the community.

It may sound impressive to say that more than 600,000 guns were destroyed but that doesn't mean that there are 600,000 fewer Australians with ready access to a firearm. Many individuals or households would have given up more than one firearm. The overall percentage of households with access to firearms might not have changed by anywhere near as much as the figure of 600,000 firearms seems to suggest.

So why didn't the gun buyback reduce the rate of firearm homicide?

One possibility is the reduction in firearm ownership was too small to influence the gun homicide rate. There are only about 50 murders involving firearms in Australia each year. There are hundreds of thousands of gun owners. This suggests that the risk of any gun owner using a gun to kill someone is very small.

Even if every gun owner were equally likely to kill someone with a gun (a dubious proposition) it would take a large reduction in the number of households with firearms to produce a noticeable reduction in the number of firearm homicides.

A second, more likely, possibility is that people bent on committing a crime with a gun may get one illegally if they cannot lawfully obtain one.

Research since the gun buyback has shown that more than 90 per cent of homicide cases involve an unregistered weapon and the alleged offender was not licensed to own a gun.

So how should policymakers respond to the evidence showing the gun buyback did not affect the rate of firearm homicide?

It's time to look beyond further restrictions on the level of gun ownership if we want to tackle firearm crime.

The challenge facing policymakers is how to limit the spread of illegal firearms (particularly handguns) among criminals, particularly drug traffickers.

The firearm homicide rate was in decline long before the gun buyback but shooting incidents surged in certain parts of Sydney in the late 1990s.

Although the number of these incidents is relatively small and has gone down since 2000, experience in the United States suggests that when young drug traffickers start using guns to settle their differences, the result can be a dramatic escalation in the murder rate.

It doesn't follow, however, that restrictions on firearm ownership should be dropped. The gun buyback may not have had any effect on the rate of firearm homicide but any policy that permitted large increases in the supply of guns in the community could still produce untoward effects.

The Port Arthur massacre graphically demonstrated the catastrophic effects that result when the wrong people get hold of guns. This is dangerous ground and we need to tread carefully.

Don Weatherburn is director of the NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research.
 
And, another one, more news article, less editorial.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national...-on-murder-rate/2006/10/23/1161455665717.html

HALF a billion dollars spent buying back hundreds of thousands of guns after the Port Arthur massacre had no effect on the homicide rate, says a study published in an influential British journal.

The report by two Australian academics, published in the British Journal of Criminology, said statistics gathered in the decade since Port Arthur showed gun deaths had been declining well before 1996 and the buyback of more than 600,000 mainly semi-automatic rifles and pump-action shotguns had made no difference in the rate of decline.

The only area where the package of Commonwealth and State laws, known as the National Firearms Agreement (NFA) may have had some impact was on the rate of suicide, but the study said the evidence was not clear and any reductions attributable to the new gun rules were slight.

"Homicide patterns (firearm and non-firearm) were not influenced by the NFA, the conclusion being that the gun buyback and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia," the study says.

In his first year in office, the Prime Minister, John Howard, forced through some of the world's toughest gun laws, including the national buyback scheme, after Martin Bryant used semi-automatic rifles to shoot dead 35 people at Port Arthur.

Although furious licensed gun-owners said the laws would have no impact because criminals would not hand in their guns, Mr Howard and others predicted the removal of so many guns from the community, and new laws making it harder to buy and keep guns, would lead to a reduction in all types of gun-related deaths.

One of the authors of the study, Jeanine Baker, said she knew in 1996 it would be impossible for years to know whether the Prime Minister or the shooters were right.

"I have been collecting data since 1996 … The decision was we would wait for a decade and then evaluate," she said.

The findings were clear, she said: "The policy has made no difference. There was a trend of declining deaths that has continued."

Dr Baker and her co-author, Samara McPhedran, declared their membership of gun groups in the article, something Dr Baker said they had done deliberately to make clear "who we are" and head off any possible criticism that they had hidden relevant details.

The significance of the article was not who had written it but the fact it had been published in a respected journal after the regular rigorous process of being peer reviewed, she said.

Politicians had assumed tighter gun laws would cut off the supply of guns to would-be criminals and that homicide rates would fall as a result, the study said. But more than 90 per cent of firearms used to commit homicide were not registered, their users were not licensed and they had been unaffected by the firearms agreement.

Dr Baker said many more lives would have been saved had the Government spent the $500 million on mental health or other programs rather than on destroying semi-automatic weapons.

She believed semi-automatic rifles should be available to shooters, although with tight restrictions such as those in place in New Zealand.

The director of the NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics, Dr Don Weatherburn, said he was not surprised by the study. He said it showed "politicians would be well advised to claim success of their policies after they were evaluated, not before".
 
Just think if that half a billion was put into enforcement of existing laws and prisons. THAT would have had a real effect on the homicide rate, given that the overwhelming majority of murderers have prior criminal records. Get them off the streets and the problems really disappear.
 
She believed semi-automatic rifles should be available to shooters, although with tight restrictions such as those in place in New Zealand.


Sounds like a good compromise seeing how all semi automatic rifles are banned and most semi automatic shotguns.
 
Pretty predictable governmental response. Remember, the author would probably loose his job (one way or another) if he said otherwise. All rhetoric... in the mean time Australians have had their gun rights restricted.

Oh, but there was no massacres since the bill was enacted? Must be because of the law.

This is EXACTLY what we here in the US will see if the anti's get their way.... more restrictions when the "sensible ones" don't work. In the mean time, law abiding citizens have had their rights to own a firearms restricted and will never change back without law abiding firearm owners breaking the law in one form or another.

It doesn't follow, however, that restrictions on firearm ownership should be dropped. The gun buyback may not have had any effect on the rate of firearm homicide but any policy that permitted large increases in the supply of guns in the community could still produce untoward effects.

The Port Arthur massacre graphically demonstrated the catastrophic effects that result when the wrong people get hold of guns. This is dangerous ground and we need to tread carefully.

Tread carefully means do nothing or enact more restrictive laws and reduce the supply. Yes, reduce the supply.... let's try that. That must be it. I have yet to understand why the Port Arthur incident was such a catastrophy?
 
It's time for gun owners to aknowledge that guns--not people--kill people, and to lobby for appropriate changes in the laws of civilized countries.

Since it is indeed the gun--not the person who uses it--that has killed or harmed someone, there clearly is rampant injustice in punishing the person instead of the gun.

Any gun that kills or injures someone should be hunted down, arrested, tried, and punished appropriately. In capital offenses the punishment should be swift and severe. The guilty gun should be executed without interminable delays for pointless appeals.

The blameless person who held that gun during the time of its illegal behavior should have the option to witness its execution but should not be required to attend. Any mental anguish or physical pain suffered by that unfortunate person should be compensated by the state.
 
David Hardy has posted the actual research paper here:

GunLawsSuddenDeathBJC.pdf

Note that Professor Simon Chapman, claimed to have discredited the research, is one of the activists that drove the anti-gun campaign in the 1990s, and his professorship is in manipulative techniques to alter public opinion.

He authored an extended gloat called 'Over our Dead Bodies: Port Arthur and AUstralia's Fight for Gun Control', which is extremely sad to read, mostly becuase it shows just how unprepared the mums and dads in the shooting sports of Australia were to deal with the firestorm of hate from the media after Port Arthur.

Chapman is a leading light of the anti-smoking campaign, and once triggered a little sh*tstorm by suggesting the right of parents to refuse vaccinations for their children should be taken away.
 
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Aussie Gun Study

FYI, my letter to editor of Sydney Morning Herald, as yet unpublished!
The “Opinion” piece in SMH 26.10.2006, by Don Weatherburn, “Study no excuse to shoot down the law” is “illogical” and includes some glaring mistakes. Don Weatherburn claims that “Countries with more guns have more gun homicide”, yet the facts are that countries like New Zealand, with twice the number of guns per capita, has lower gun homicide than Australia. Similarly, Finland, Switzerland and Sweden, with high gun ownership, have lower gun homicide! In USA, the latest (2005) figures produced by FBI showed murder to be REDUCED by 43% (compared with the peak in 1991), when during that time firearms ownership had INCREASED by more than 70 million.

Next, Weatherburn claims that “there have been no mass shootings” since the 1996 gun laws, but fails to explain that there have been other mass murders, using other methods; Childers (QLD) back-packers mass murders, (15 murdered) Snowtown (SA) mass murders (12 killed), Bali mass murders, (92 killed) and numerous cases where parents murdered their children by car exhaust, pillow and bathwater!

Is it any less tragic that mass murders still take place, or that they are acceptable because no gun was used?

In any case, when John Howard pushed through his gun laws, he explained that he “couldn’t guarantee that there wouldn’t be another massacre”, so it is strange that Weatherburn is now hinting at an achievement which wasn’t ever promised!

Australia always had “gun laws” inasmuch as murder with a gun was illegal; robbery with a gun was illegal, etc. The 1996 gun laws, resulted in guns which were never used in a crime and never likely to be used in a crime, having to be crushed, while those remaining had to be registered so as to be classed as “legal”.

What was never explained is how those with criminal intent were ever going to register their firearms, so they could then be classed as “legal”?

Is the ideal achieved, when all criminals have registered (i.e. legal) firearms?

Is it somehow “better” to be assaulted, robbed, or murdered by a person carrying a “registered” gun?

The facts are that in no Country in the world has firearms registration, or bans, or gun crushing, ever been shown to have reduced crime.

New Zealand disbanded their firearms registry many years ago, after is was found to have been of no assistance in stopping or preventing crime. Canada’s newly elected Prime Minister Steven Harper, announced that he would be scrapping their long arms registration system, introduced in 1995, when it also was found to be of no help in stopping or solving crimes, while diverting RCMP from their crime fighting duties!

The sooner Australians accept the fact that “gun control” is not “crime control”, the better for all of us.
 
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