(Australia) New Laws Cut Number Of Knives On Streets

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January 29, 2003 Wednesday

SECTION: News; Pg. 12

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HEADLINE: New Laws Cut Number Of Knives On Streets

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THOUSANDS of knives have been seized by the state's police officers since the introduction of tough laws targeting illegal weapons, NSW Police Minister Michael Costa said yesterday.

The figures proved the success of the Government's introduction of additional knife search and seizure powers, which have been effective since July 1998, he said. "These results equate to an average 85 knives seized each week in NSW - or 4500 each year," Mr Costa said.

"It's proof police are taking dangerous criminals and their concealed weapons off our streets."

According to the figures, between July 1998 and November 2002, police seized 20,300 knives, conducted 18,527 searches where weapons were found and issued 149,075 "move-on" directions. The latest month's figures available, for November 2002, showed 313 searches were conducted where knives were found, 356 knives were seized and 3829 "move-on" directions were issued.

Mr Costa said that, before proceeding, each knife search required police to have reasonable suspicion the person targeted had a knife or other illegal weapon.

"There is a penalty of up to two years' prison, or fines of $5500, for knife possession," he said.

The "move-on" powers, which were extended last year to allow multiple directions to be issued, allowed police to target anyone suspected of drug dealing, intimidating or harassing people in public places.

Mr Costa said the knife search and "move-on" results followed the latest figures showing 117 drug houses had been closed in NSW and 330 charges laid in the 18 months since tougher drug laws were introduced.

Those new laws include new police powers to tackle so-called "cannabis cafes", other commercial premises supplying drugs, and drug-dealing owners of premises who attempted to "hide behind staff".
 
The figures proved the success of the Government's introduction of additional knife search and seizure powers, which have been effective since July 1998, he said. "These results equate to an average 85 knives seized each week in NSW - or 4500 each year," Mr Costa said.

"It's proof police are taking dangerous criminals and their concealed weapons off our streets."


Well, no xxxx, Sherlock! When knives are outlawed, and you gave the police the power to seize them, you are bound to have success seizing knives. Mr Costa could be much more effective if he could tell us how many crimes were twarted by removing the knives from the street. Anybody wanna guess?
 
Pretty soon pointy sticks will be banned. Then rocks, and finally the most prolific deadly devices hands and fists. Once you start on the ban-wagon it seems there is no turning.
 
Does that mean that you aren't allowed to carry a knife (multi-tool or one-hand folder) in Australia? :confused:

But I promised my former colleagues to visit them down under. :(
 
Of course you can't carry a knife. If you have one of those evil tatical assult stealth knives, you'll stab someone. The knife will make you. Next thing is they'll be banning possession of boomer-rangs. :banghead:
 
You know, I *really* hate this crap.

I have always wanted to visit the UK and Australia sometime in my life. There's not a snowballs chance that I'll contribute one cent of my tourist dollars to either country.

Same goes for Canada. I've visited a number of times and consider BC one of the most beautiful places on earth. Not a chance that I'll be visiting anytime in the foreseeable future.

I know that there are some really wonderful people, places and history in those 3 countries but the governments leave much to be desired.
 
Australia is in the hands of the bliss-ninnies...

The Media here hates anything that could be used to harm anyone, but not the poor misguided criminals who do the harm:rolleyes:

I'm sure all those Indonesians will respect our pacifism when they decide they need the resources and growing room:banghead:

Don't judge the people by the insane actions of the government and media here...media ownership rests largely in the hands of two elitist billionaires (Murdoch and Packer) and the choices for alternative governments are, believe it or not, even worst than the folks in power now.:uhoh:

It's a beautiful nation with wide open spaces, magnificent coasts, mild climate and rural people that are self-reliant 'battlers' of pioneer stock; there just aren't enough of them to politically offset the bonehead hoplophobic urban sheep in the capital cities (some 80% of the population). Like California, there are many fine people sprinkled among the bliss-ninnies who believe what they're fed by the urban fantasy media. ;)
 
Let's put it this way --- if you're a clean, respectable, mature, well-dressed person walking down the street with a Leatherman or folder in a belt pouch, chances are the cops will smile, nod and say "G'day" to you.

If you're a foul-mouthed, tattooed and pierced yobbo or a slick-backed Asian "gangsta" carrying a knife, the coppers aren't going to be quite so friendly.

I carry a knife, so does my Dad. Never had a problem.

Bruce
 
Nice to hear that Bruce. As a fellow Australian, and with our laws, I haven't dared carry any large combat knifes concealed in public on my belt and certainly not a handgun.

Wish it were legal to though. :fire: Still, I do carry around the house...

Have you ever carried a firearm in WA, Bruce?

Yes, "concealed means concealed," but it is still terribly risky.
 
Let's put it this way --- if you're a clean, respectable, mature, well-dressed person walking down the street with a Leatherman or folder in a belt pouch, chances are the cops will smile, nod and say "G'day" to you.

If you're a foul-mouthed, tattooed and pierced yobbo or a slick-backed Asian "gangsta" carrying a knife, the coppers aren't going to be quite so friendly.

I carry a knife, so does my Dad. Never had a problem.
*snicker*
Selective enforcement ... yeah, that never ends up biting you in the rear. </dripping, but good natured sarcasm>

Good that you aren't affected right now, but you will be. This I guarantee.
 
I visited Perth about 20 years ago and loved it. Even saw the Queen and Prince Phillip while there. They actually blocked off a street and the Queen walked down the middle of the road waving to people. Bet they don't do stuff like that anymore. Got a few nice pictures with her about 20 feet away.

How long before the leaders in Australia decide to just save time and expand law enforcement's power to enter homes and search for illegal firearms and knives?
 
Let's put it this way --- if you're a clean, respectable, mature, well-dressed person walking down the street with a Leatherman or folder in a belt pouch, chances are the cops will smile, nod and say "G'day" to you.
Chances are? Chances are?!?

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
 
How long before the leaders in Australia decide to just save time and expand law enforcement's power to enter homes and search for illegal firearms and knives?

You mean like Canada now? Where Police have the right to search gun owners places of residence without warrent?
 
I'm not sure about the other states of Australia, but here in New South Wales I'm pretty sure police do not require search warrants either if its gun related.
 
Deadman is correct, I believe....

once our data is on "Crimtrak" (a national database of offenders, convicts and gun owners) and we are duly licensed by the state, no warrant is required to 'inspect' our premises for violations of the firearms laws.:uhoh:
 
OK, look, ...

Yes, it is "selective enforcement". Yes, it sucks. Yes, it's better than fu .... nothing at all. The LAW is the LAW -- would you be happer if there was no "discretion" applied???

Chances are
Yes, exactly -- we live with it -- you will, too, eventually.

No, this "selectivity" will NOT apply to carrying a 12-inch Bowie in a sheath on your belt in public. Any reason why it should??????

Have you ever carried a firearm in WA, Bruce?

Legally?? No.

25 years ago???? --- well, who knows. Let's just say -- occasionally

Deadman
Yes, if it's gun-related, a search warrant is no longer required.
 
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