Australia: Warrantless Searches to be Proposed to Aid Gun Control (no joke)

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What really bothers me is that the concern seems to be about how warrantless searches will affect the sport, not about the simple fact that warrantless searches are considered legitimate. For an American like me, the disconnect is just boggling. :(

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/02/15/1044927849865.html

Sport shooters face clampdown

February 16 2003
By Kirsty Simpson
State Reporter

Police will be able to enter houses without a warrant and seize handguns belonging to sporting shooters if the owner failed to attend sufficient competitions under proposed tough new firearms laws.

And people found with banned pistols could be liable for prison sentences of up to 10 years, according to those who have seen the legislation, which was prompted by the Monash University shootings last year.

But the new laws, expected to be introduced into the Victorian Parliament by early March, have sparked outrage from some shooters, who claim it threatens to decimate their sport.

The laws are designed to ensure only legitimate sporting shooters can keep their guns stored at home.

Recent federal customs changes, which limit the import or export of handguns, have already resulted in shooters being unable to compete in some international competitions or attract competitors to Australian tournaments, according to David Barton of the Victorian branch of the Sporting Shooters Association.

Up to half of the state's pistol shooters will leave the sport as a result of the state and federal laws, Mr Barton said. "Whether these are the intended or unintended consequences is a moot point, but all of this will add nothing to public safety," he said.

Premier Steve Bracks confirmed during the week that handgun laws would be among the first laws to be introduced by the second-term Labor Government. All states agreed to a crackdown on handguns after the deaths of two students and the wounding of five more at Monash University in October last year.

But a spokesman for Police and Corrections Minister Andre Haermeyer said the Government could not comment further on the proposals because they had not yet been approved by cabinet.

The Federal and state governments agreed to the broad outlines of a ban of semi-automatic handguns and some other varieties of hand-guns two months ago. Government officials are cautiously optimistic that the finer details will be agreed at the next Council of Australian Governments meeting, in time for the buyback to begin on July 1, as scheduled.

Once the states pass the laws, more than 500 different models of handguns will become illegal and a $100 million nationwide buyback program will begin. The ban is expected to remove from circulation about 20 per cent of Australia's 166,000 licensed handguns.

Brett Inder, an associate professor at Monash and one of the men who disarmed the alleged shooter, welcomed the new laws.

Mr Inder said he was happy to see sporting shooters have access to pistols but added that handguns should not be stored at home in the wider community. "The sooner and stronger, the better," Mr Inder said of the new laws.

Police Association secretary Paul Mullett said he welcomed the new laws, particularly in the present uncertain environment, but said it would be an extra burden on resources.

"We are hoping that the Government will deliver on its promise of an extra 600 new police officers," he said.

Copyright © 2003 The Age Company Ltd
 
The Norwegian police are allready doing warrantless, unconstitusional searches in gun owners homes. (but they have to give you a warning 48 hours ahead)

Maby it is time to look for a new homeland? :(

The USofA still have a constitution, right?
 
Well . . . sort of. Don't come to the wrong part. The U.S. is BIG. I had the misfortune to be born in the wrong state (Illinois) and it's now going to take me a couple of years to complete the move to the Republic (Texas.)
Stay out of California, Illinois, Missouri, New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Massachusetts and a couple of other Northeastern states and you'll be OK.
Personally, since I have to move anyway, I'm going where it's warm. ;)
 
Warrentless searches.. Reminds me of a certain something we have in Canada... :(

I think I'm beginning to agree with goosegunner... It's time to move to Texas.. or maybe Virginia.. Always liked Virginia... How's it for gun laws?
 
Please consider The Free Republic of Tennessee...we welcome folks who believe in the inherent Right of human beings to defend themselves with the tool(s) of their choice.

We like Canadians as the loyal friends they are...we just don't like the wannabe-totalitarians who get elected as your "leaders".

I, for one, would be willing to help pay for a swap...you come to the USA and we send a certain evening news-anchor for ABC home to Canada.

Deal? :cool:
 
Police will be able to enter houses without a warrant and seize handguns belonging to sporting shooters if the owner failed to attend sufficient competitions under proposed tough new firearms laws.

CLARIFICATION
For "peasants", the only "reason" for being allowed a handgun is "sports shooting". To get support (mandatory), you must (in most cases) attend a safety course and exam, shoot a specified number of matches as a probationary member (ours is 6 over 6 months), then be voted to full membership BEFORE applying for support. Once granted, you MUST shoot 8 matches a year to maintain support. If you don't shoot a sufficient number of matches -- or don't have a legitimate "excuse" for not attending -- the Club is required by law to inform the police that support has been withdrawn. Therefore, the firearms are now held illegally. Police can, and will, seize them. The owner then has the option of selling them to a dealer or having them destroyed OR convincing a judge to let him keep them and start Club shooting again.

These rules have been in force in Western Australia for as long as I can remember -- at LEAST 25 years. When a firearm is involved, police have never needed a warrant here to enter your home. Under the 1996 laws, the reasons for entering without a warrant were increased. In some states, they can knock and enter unannounced to check your mandatory storage. They certainly can knock and enter without warrant to seize firearms for non-compliance with support rules, or domestic violence orders or just about any other reason.

And people found with banned pistols could be liable for prison sentences of up to 10 years, according to those who have seen the legislation, which was prompted by the Monash University shootings last year.

(Shrugs) This is pretty standard for any firearms offences here. I think you can get 14 years max. for possessing ammunition for a firearm you don't have a licence for.

The Federal and state governments agreed to the broad outlines of a ban of semi-automatic handguns and some other varieties of hand-guns two months ago.

BANNED
Revolvers with a barrel length less than 100 mm
Semi-autos with a barrel length less than 125 mm
Any magazine capacity over 10 rounds
In general, .38 cal is the upper limit, though .45s may be allowed for specified matches approved by the police commissioners.
Only matches with a National or International component will be "allowed" as reason for owning a firearm.

What really bothers me is that the concern seems to be about how warrantless searches will affect the sport, not about the simple fact that warrantless searches are considered legitimate.

They're not actually talking about "searches" per se; they are talking about being able to enter and seize known, registered firearms because there has been a breach of licensing regulations.

Like you, I think it stinks ... but it has been the law here for years and years, and no-one is going to change it! :cuss:

Bruce
 
Admiral Thrawn...

I was a bit disappointed with my fridge magnet:rolleyes:

I noted the blurb in the letter which arrived with the magnet where Little John urged that no group of people in Australia be persecuted for their beliefs...he must have forgotten about shooters?:fire:

As Bruce wrote, we have been so whupped for so long that the idea of a warrantless search seems 'normal' to gun owners:uhoh:
 
I wanna move to Tx.....or AZ...or Tenn.......anyone has a good position for a Packaging Supervisor in the Pharmeucetical business?
 
Was the guy that shot up Monash University an inactive sport-shooter or just another criminal with an "illegal" gun to begin with?
 
The Monash "shooter"...

was a Chinese (PRC?) living with his Mum near the Uni..
He was a member of a pistol club and had a licence, but there remain questions about how the police were able to interview him and administer the required safety tests without his having much ability at speaking or understanding English.:rolleyes:
 
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